Newspaper of Chicago Daily Tribune, May 17, 1876, Page 2

Newspaper of Chicago Daily Tribune dated May 17, 1876 Page 2
Text content (automatically generated)

2 state if Ton bad made up yonr mind or whether yon fcart thought upon tbo subject. Witness—l Mid a little while ego that at that tine I did not think anything of (ho kind. . The Court—lf yon hud formed no conclusion on the subject you need not answer. Col. Ingersoll— q—Did yon at that time think there wae any chance of exposure? A.—l cannot teU yoo-wbat I did think about It, Q, —Did yon ©yet think of being ... .CAOdrtT liTKh A-JUT IN A TRAP} did yon ever thlnk.of.that atthat tlmoT A.—No, ®lr; not when I went Into It <x*-yonaifTetdr«atDcdof ancha thing? A.— UoTilr. Or—ThMTiWiU yhn the lory yon never tnade any. provisions, for ,lhq,-«ccldontof being taught? r,A.— Not notwbenl flret went Into IU jQ t —Wlll.yoo toll the i jnry yon .never made op 9oat mlod if you wore caught to swear a Ho? A. •-No, air. . . .. Qir-Dld: you; make up yonr mind If yon were eangbt to swear tha truth? A,—Yea, it called **s* To toil (he whole truth as ft witness? A.— Ycs, air? aftcr.l had made «p my mind, not at the Hoi wfiorierdr'the question of troth present* wdTtscl( -yon made up your mind to toll It? A *q?-Swfio elm did yon pay money to In this ‘transaction? A.—Some to WARD. Q.-How mnch? A.-82,ft00 altogether. ‘ Q.—What Ward do ronmean? A.-J. I>. • q—What position did ho then occupy? A.—Dla- him—how much did yon ray? -A;—When I paid him Aral he was a Member of i A.—During the election of ' q—DldhoatthattlmO'knowwhcre you got this •%ioney? A.—l should think be did. Q.—Did he at that time know wnsrw you got this <*oonoy ?' A—Yos. hodld? I toldhlnu : Q.-Whc did you tell him yon got Ufrwat A.- teromttadlatilleri. , .... Q. -Did yon tell him It woe for permitting them koVital ? A.-No, air; I did not ~ q.— Did yon Jowl him to bcllcro Itwftapaldbyi ,«ieoifortWpnrpl'»»of*:eolinr? t hit Ayer objected. Tho wltncso should bo aakeu rfo slate what h« aftid. The Court—T think the quceUoo Is proper. J Col. Ingersoll—M: Ayorhaa shown during this Hrial that bo does not know the distinction between tudlroetiiml a cross-examination. The Court—The remark la entirely uncalled fnr. : Col. Ingersoll—l take Hall back then. [Laugh* vldr.l Q.—Did you load him to hcllcvo that it wan vrtonby paid by the distillers for the privilege of stealing ? A.—l Old not think it necessary. C^.— Did you tell him yes or no? A— No, air; I q.—Dirt yon lead him to bellcvo It; did you In* elriudte It tn that conversation? Look at Hie Jury; don't look at me and grin obontit. A.—l have told yon. Q.—Well, did yon tell him It was paid by the distillers for- tho privilege bf etcollng? A.—l did not use that wopd.. . . . o.—What word did you nsc? A.—l told him It vrfia paid by the distillers. Q.— For political purposes, or what? A.—At that time I think I did tell him U was for political DUrooses, It wna the first money I gave him. q.—How mnch did you give him that (ImoT A. t-t-Tch thousand dollnru. . . q.—When did you giro him some more? A.—ln April, 1870. o.—How much? A.—A thousand. A —Whore? A.—ln Ms office. q.—lnwliutdldyouglvc It? A.—ln ft largo cn* Velope. . „ q.—Currency or checks? A.—Currency. Q.—What did yon give him that for? A.—l told him that I had come from I'owcll. Q.—Did you tell him what It was for? A.—l did *not; I supposed ho knew. . _ 6.—Tell all the conversation yon had with him that time? A.—l did not have much. I simply handed him the envelope, and wont away. q.—To whom was the envelope directed? A.— To nolmdy. q.—Waa there anything upon it? A.—No. q._Nonc, whatever? A- No. (•.—Will you swear to It? A.—\es. q.— Arc yon ns euro of that as of tho rest of the Btull? A.—dust as sure. . . . , O.—What kind of bills, were they? A.—Large hills, some of thorn. 6.—What was the largest? A.—l cannot swear, q,—What was tho smallest? A.—l cannot tell. Q.—Where did you gel the money? A.—From Vowcll. q. —When ? A.—Shortly before that, q.—How long before? iV.—Sumo time before, 1 guess. 6, About how long before? A.—ln thot month. Ido not think I gut It all together. Word was not licrc, audl could not give him tho money, and J jbept It until he came. THE rABTtCUPans. i Q.—How much was It the ilrst time? A.—Nino fUrondrcd dollars. \ Q.—The next time? A.—A thousand dollars. ' Q.— Did yon steal WOO oni of that? A.— No. 0.-Ont of the S 1.000? A.—l did not say SI,OOO. <JL—I understand that yon said first SOOO and /Chen sl. 000- A.—l Rave Mr. Hoping half of It. ( q, —When? A.—About tho same time. M q.—Give us tho date. . A.—l cannot tell. , Q.r-Asnear os you can. A.—l cannot tell tbo «xacfdaUs. 1 know U was some time In April. 1 think Ward was not here. I got the money bo* tweoa the lot and tbo 10th of tho month. In uareb 1 was not hero. WHY? q.—Why did you pay Mils money in Ward* A.— Because I told him of It In Washington before— that Powell wanted to pay money; 1 did not want It, and if bo liked I would giro him half and Ilea* ft.—Where were you in Washington when yon iota this? A.—ln the hotel. ■ q,—What hotel? A.—The EhhUl House, 1 guess. a.—llow did yon commence the conversation srlth-hlm? A.—l'had often conversations with q.‘— Hot that particular one! A.—l told him 3*oyroll wanted to pay some money. I knew ho- a!* ways took ft. great interest in Powell, and if ho wanted it I would give it to him. Q.—And yon gave him half? A.—Yes. Q.—What did yon say you would do with the other half? A.—Glvo It to iicalng. Q.— DldycmT, A.—Yes. Did you do the business for nothing? A— q.—Vda got 81.000 from Powell in all? A— The. first time he paid mo 8000, os ho was SIOO short. -Helios given mo money four or live timee. ,Q.^-llowmuch in alii. A.—Between s3,ooound did you glvo fleeing of that? A— Two thousand dollars. PAYMENTS TO WARD. Q.—How much di«i you glvo Word—s2,ooo? A.— No. sir.. In all 1 think Fgave him 51,300. Q.—When did you give him the last 81,000? Woo (hflt tbo time you gave it to him in an en velops? A.—l never guvo him $1,500 ot any one time. . - . q.— How much did you glvo him? A.—A thou sand. q.—Then when did you give him more? A—ln Jlav, between tho Ist and sth. Q.—How much did you give him then? A.— Pivo hundred dollars. Q.—ln what? A.—ln a small envelope. It was «sftoo bill. I think. Q.—Whore did yon glvo it? A.—ln his office, q.—What did yol say then? A.—l do not know, q.—Did you come from Powell? A.—Yes. q.—Did you have any conversation with him on Hie subject? A—No, sir. Q,—Did anybody else ever give you any money? Ai—That la alii got. , , Q.—Did you* over help anybody in politics out of this money? A.—Yes, sir; I helped Ward, and 1 HELPED FAHWELU Q.—WhatParweil? A-C. B. q.—How much did you help him with? A.— What I spent Q.— How much did yoo spend? A.—l spent con siderable. q.—llownmcb? A.—Aboutsß,oooor SIO,OOO. q.—Did bo know where the money came from? Ar-No, sir; I do not think he ever Know I spent that money. q;—Did ho know yon spent any? A—Yea; I Suppose ho did. q.— Did ho suppose It carao out of your pocket? A—l never asked him. ft.—You never let him know that nny of the die* tillers were stealing? A.-—No. sir; I never did. ft.—You oarer let him know that you bad re ceived a cent from the distillers for the privilege of Vtcallm’? A.—No, sir; i never told him that, ft.—You never let him know? A.—No, sir. %— Did you ever tell any distillers that ho knew I A.—No. sir. ft.—Pid you ever tell any distillers that be had 'Agreed to protect you? A.—No, sir. ' Q.—Pid you ever tell them Hint any politician )Cuul agreed to protect you? A.—No, sir. , ft.—Hsvt you nowtold til tbo persons who ever rave you this corrupt money? A.—l think i have. MUNN, at jakb’s ovvich. Q—l understood you to say you gave Mr. ttlunn a sum directly at yoar dik'd A.—Yes. Q.—Did you give him that in it check! A.— <fo, sir; In ft roll of blits. Q.—llow much was It! A.—A thousand dol lars. Q.— Iq wbat shape was It! A.—A roll of 'frills. Q.—Wbowas In tbo office when yon gave It to felul A. —lt was In my private room. Qs~Wua there any one tborol A.—No one. (Q.— Is (t possible there was no one there to .eorrolwnito that,—was there no one there? [ A.—No on* There was sotnu one In tbo back wffloe. . Q.— Did anybody see It but yourself and him «Ut A.—No. that the only time you ever gave Cdm money there? A.—That was the only time. ft.—You never gave him anything in yourofllco WTthat? A.—Money? ft,—Yes. A.—No, sir. Did yea ever give him anything but that? ; Vis IT A DEED I <.Q,*-Dldyeo ever band him a quit-claim deed la frOorefScef A. (after a|iause)— No, sir. Let me refresh your memory a little bit not a pripud deed conveying three lots? Let mo Oil your attention to It with a.little more clear qms. It wae written in bluo ink. Did you give IduthAU .A,—l bcsrdijuch a. thlng before. «.—TOunovwg#Tohimßueb'apaper? A.—l du MM know. I might have given him something that for him. %-&»MftftDfSfi6QscftjUtftll A.—ldo not Q.—Not handing htm that In an envelope? A— -1 recollect Jilm coming toiho Clifton House BbOnt adeed and wanting to borrow money. . . q.—Do not you rocdllect handing a letter to him In yonr office? A.—No. air. o.—Wiial time wa" It when you gave him this money? A.— Sonic time In the latter part of March. o.—Do not yon recollect him coming Into yonr office, and yon giving to him lhl« deed on paper? A.—l do not remember anything of that kind. q.— Do you recollect banding him an envelope about the latter end of March or Ist of April, 187 ft? A.—No, air, Ido not remember anything oftho kind. _ q. Wilt you awear yon do not? A.—l awear to the best of my belief that I do not remember any* thing of (bo kind. . . q —Will you awear yon did not giro hlraancn-' velope? A.—l might nave given him ono. # O.—Will yon awear that yon have not sold yon had Ibis money In an envelope? A.—No, air. 6, —Did yon at tlmt time* or about that time, hand lo Mr. Mnnn In your office an<nvelopc, or a letter, or a deed? A.—As I say, Ido nut know about giv ing him an envelope. 110 may bare come in and 'wrote a note, and x might then have banded him OOP. q.—Do yon recollect ever giving him anything In yonr office except tlmt roll of money? A.—No. ; Q.— In any form orln any shape? A.—l might ,Mvb given him an envelope, as 1 ruivo said. . q.—Did you ever give him an Incloanreoranon* ivclope with something in it pat In by yourself? A. —No, sir, I dlfl not give him anything of the kind. q.—You knew that Munn bad been receiving his part of the money as you supposed oil tho time, did not you? A.—Tea, air: I snpbosort so. q.—you had a conversation with him In which he Ursl complained of Uridgen not dividing fairly? A.—Yes, elr. q.—After you told him tho foil amount you gave .Bridges he was saUsQcd? A.—l do npt think 1 (old the full amount t— Did you tell Bomothtngf A. —Yes. —f*o hu was raltaflodf A.—Yes. —Ha told you to go ahead os before? A.— xca, sir. JUHitrn. . . Q.-Why did yon think It necessary for.Tnnkcr to pay him something outside? A—l did not think UneceMaty. .. Q.—Did you advice him to do It? A.—l might have advised him to give him SftOO. . . q.—Did you advise Junker to glvo him anything? A.—l cannot say; IthlnktlistMr. Jnnkor proposed to giro him something. . . . . . q.—What for? A. —Not to roako any fuss about Q.—Why should he mabo any fuse, If ho was In the conspiracy himself? A.—l did not know that .ho would make any fuss. q.—Thru n-hy did vou ndvtso Junker to give tho money? A.-llccauscJtmkcrmodo a proposition q.—Then Junker wm tho first man to propose It? A.—Wcdl, there woo aonio talk, and I said somo* thing about giving him 8500, and hu said ho would give a thousand, q.—Did yon advise Junker to glvo any money? A.—l suppose q.—Did you ndvtse him to pay Mnnn anything or not? A.—l say, ns I said before, that 1 might have advised him In tho conversation. q. —Who first suggested giving the monsy t A.— It mluht have been Junker, and it might huvo been myself. Q.—lf yon know Mann was in the ring, and re ceiving regular pay, whydld you think It necessary to glvo him onything? A—l did not think It necessary. q.—Well, If yon did not think It necessary, why did yon tell Junker it was necessary? A.—l told !yon I did not. 1 told him thatl thought It was un necessary. (#,—Will yon swenr that? A.—l swear that I did not think It wos necessary to pay him anything. I Mild, “ifyonwani to give something, glvo 8500," 'cpdho said he would give 81.000. q.—Did you think bo ought to have anything? A—No, sir. Q.—Dirt yon tell Junker that? A.—Yes, sir. q.—Dirt nc know the reason? A.—l suppose so. COMMUNICATIONS TO JUMRBIU Q.— Did you tell him Munn was in tho ring? A— Yes, sir; I have told him. Q.—When dirt yon tell him? A.—Not onco. but often. I hove told him that Munn was all right; that ho was with Pridgen; it was oil ono thing. Q.—When did you tell him that? A.—ldo not remember the exact time. • <2.—Did you ever tvll him that often? A.—lt wnts not necessary to tell thut very often. Q-—Did yon ever tell him that at all? A.— Ycb, sir, I did, but when Ido not remember. I did not »<ny It In so many words that Munn was In, but! nlawys said tbo officers were all right. That was WHAT I TOLD TUB DISTILLER?. O.—When? A. —Whenever they wanted help, anti sent word. q,—Did yon crcr tell tbo distillers Mtinn was In It? A.—Yes, sir. , Q.—Whot distillers? A.—l fold n number, q. —Who? A.—l told George Miller so. q.—When? A.—l told Idm Munn was all right, q. —When did you tell him? A.—l cannot tell, exactly. q.—Who was present when you tola Miller that? A.<—No one. S,— Do you recollect whero you were when you It? A.— Idonou q.— Do you know whether any one was present or nut? A.— I was not In tho habit of talking on sucb things when anybody was present q.— ’When did you tell Miller? Was that before you had any conversation with Mann? A.—l think ; about the time that 1 saw Mr. Munn In tho.hotel— about that time. I told Gcorgo Miller what hap* pened. Q. —Between yon and Mnnn? A.—Yes. q.—Who else did yon tell? A.—ldo not know. Thu way It was about telling, they used to say, “Is this mannll rightf” and I used to say, “110 will not hurt anybody." That is about all the con versation wo bad. , oßonoß DUimouana. q.— Did you tell (Jeorgo T. Burroughs (hat Mnnn was in It? A.—Yes, sir, 1 did. o.—When? A—When he first started intn tho fall of 1872. q.—Where were you,—sitting or standing? A.— I do not know. . . Q.—Whnt did you say to him? A.—Ho pald8«»00 foe the first mneh, and I told him one day, "Ur. Burroughs, you had bettor.takc sixty barrels in* stuadof fifty; it will nay more for tho division”; and then 1 told him who was in U. (2.— Why did you say this to him? A—So that the money could bo divided ccpially. O,—Who did you say got It? A—Bridges, Mann, ana Irvin. (>.— Anybody else? A.—No, fiot at that time, q.—. Now, than, yon say you told Burroughs in the fall of 1872 that Munn was iu it? A.—Yes. <{.—Did not you at that tiino toll. Burroughs that Munn was not In it? A—l never told him any thing of tho kind. q.— Did not you (ell him at that time that Mann 'lived at Cairo, and there was uo need of having him In It? A.-No. , . , (£— And that you could get along without him? A.—No. Q.—Yon swear that? A.—Yes. <>.—Dlduotyou tell Burroughs ot divers times and placet) that you never had paid Munn a cent or knew of hl« having received a cent? A.—No, sir. Q.—Do you recollect when Munn was removed? A,—lt was In 1875, Ido not recollect tho date— sortie time aftea tho seizures. Dumu iimo imi* mu o«i»un«. lb— Did you tell. Burroughs immediately or a litiTo after Munn was removed that Munn had never beou guilty of anything or rcceivcduny thing? q.—lilfl not yon soy to Unrronghs that it wan a shame that he was removed, because ho was tho only man innocent? A. —No. 6. s-Noratiy words Ilko It? A.—No. 11E31.N0. q.—Did you ever have uny conversation with ono A. C..Ucslng—that Is to say, your tempter—about Munn? A.—Yes, hut wo never had umchcouvcr nation. Q.—Let mo ask you then, Just about this time that It was getting a tittle hot iu 1875, did you, in ucunvamitTuuwltUMr. Hc.ilng, state to him that Mr. Mmm never hud received anything—that you knew nothing aguinst Mimn-Uld you or did you not suy that? A.—l never told him anything of the kind. q.— Many time or plncot A—No. q.—Did yen, in a conversation with Hosing, pro tend to tell him to whom you had given this money? A.—l never told him anything after wo had got into this trouble. ft.—Did yon ever tell him? A.—l told Ilcalngl had given Munn money. ft.—Did you ever tell him to whom you goto money? A.—l did. ft.—Did you tell him you gave money to Ward? A.—Yea. ft.—l will ask you If Mr. Dosing then didn't nny, “You know you never gave anything to Muun”? A.—Ho novorsnld so. 6.—And If you didn’t reply, 'I hare got to unload on Homebody”? A.—No, sir. ft.—Did you not say to Deslng, “The only trouble with me la they will prove too much money Into my hands”? A.—No, sir. ft.—Dldyouaay, “What troubles me, they will prove each u great amount of muneyi Into my hands Hint I cannot face It beforu Ibis coimnuul yon'tell*him If Itwasnot forth© $30,000 hall you would skip und run? A.—No, sir. o. At no Umo and no place? A.—No, sir; I said this to Mr. Ilcslng— . Col. IngcTKoll—You can tell that when you ore wanted to toll It. The Court—Let him explain. Witness— I said If I had known this a year sgo I would not be here. [Laughter.] . > Q.—lf It was not fur the J 30,000 bail you would run? A,—No, sir; not If It was SIOO,OOO. ft.—Of course the bigger It was the mure ant you would he to remain? A.—Notif It was SIO,OOO. ULUS. Q.—Do you know any man by the name of Ellas Shipman? A.—Yus, sir. ft.—Does hollvoln on© of your botisoe? A.— Yes, sir. ft.—ls heofrlcml of yours? A.—We used to work together 0 good many years ago.. ft.—Did you ever tel) him you didn't know a soli tary word against Munn? A.—That la roost unlike ly: hu would bo the last man In tbo world 1 would tell anything of that kind to. ft.—whou this trouble commenced did you (ell Ellas Hblpman that you did not know* solitary thing against Muun? A.—l did not tell him lo that way. if.—What did you tell him? A.—He asked me If I thought Muun was guilty, and I told him I didn't know.. <h—That wusallol A.—Yes; he Is the last man In tho world 1 would tell anything, ft. —Will you swear yuu did uot 101 l him la tha language I have used—that Mr. Shipman esked you. sud Hut you aald yuu did not kuow anything Ogaliuit Muun? A—l didn’t say U la that way. He asked mo u 1 thought Munu was guilty, umll said 1 didn’t know. 1 will give you my reason for this. .He {s a uuu who, If you told anything to, would ny» all over tha city,oud tell It over again. 1 would uot tcirmiythluglo aiich u man. O.—Didn’t you freequnlly say to Mr. Shipman and various friends that you never paid any mousy to soy ofilcerl A«— No, tlx; Uu question never THE CHICAGO TRIBUNES' WEDNESDAY, MAY 17, 1870. Came np whether i had paid money,'. The qnostlon was about tbrlr guilt— that wan all. , : q.—Did yon oyer toll A. C. Hcslng ybu never paid any money lo any officer? A.—No, atr, I tlfd. not, because 1 told him I did pay them. < Q.— During the time that yon were receiving this money from ilcslng did you not tell him that yon did not pay any of this money to Mnnn, and that he know nothing aboulls?-A.—l did not? I never Bald anything to him nliont that, q—Will you swear to that? A.—l might have said so to protect Munn. fl. ». MONff. Q.—After yon were arrested did yon meet 11. 31. Munn on Monroe street In (bis city at any time? A.—Which la U. M. Mnnn; there are two or Ibreo of them. Tho gentleman named waa pointed oat to wit* ness. Q.—Did yon hare any conversation-with him about this matter? A.—No; I might. q.— I oak yon if ho did not ask you Ifyonknow nhythlng against Dan Mnnn, and if you did not re ply, “ i don't know ono thing against him '* ? A. wo. Sir; ho said It was a sad thing Mnnn gelling into this trouble, mid I said It was pretty hard. Ilosald It wos too bad fo get Into a thing of this ({.—Didn't ho tie k yon If yon knew anything against Dan ? A.—No, sir. Q.—And didn’t yon reply, “Iknow nothing! I never knew of Han doing wrong" ? A.—No, nlr. Q.—And tlmt “ It was a perfect shame that your brother was removed " ? A.—l might ray that. I said that to other people. q. —You admit you uavo said that toother people? A.-Yes. sir. Q.—Did yon give at tho time a reason,—that ho was an innocent man ? A.—Ye*;l might havesnld (hat. I would say tho samo thing about Warder nnyofthem. If a man came round to mo, sud nskcd'A question, I said I know nothing. I was not going to publish tho transactions around the city. THE GRAND JURY, tmmi’a tbstimont. Q.—‘Were you ever called befbro the Orantl Jury 1 A.—Yea. Q.—When t A.—ln October, 1875. Q.—Who was the foreman of that Grand Jury I A.—l do not remember. Q.—Give the names of somebody on it ? A. -Dr. Gibbs, 11. W. King, Samuel D. Ward, Pope, of Evanston. There were ft number of others, but I forget the names. Q.—Were you sworn before that Grand Jury by anyliody I A.—Yes, fir, Q.—Were you asked any questions in regard to this whisky business ! A.—Yes, air. Q.—Were you asked by one of tho Grand Jurors whether you knew of any Illicit whisky being mode In this dty by auy of those distil lers I A.—No, sir. Q.—l ask you if In your answer lo that you did not say you did not I A.—l did not- Q.—What did you say! A.—The question waa not asked In that way. It Q.—Well, wait until I ask you, nod then you can.tell. Were you not osktd If you know any crookedness about whisky, and didn’t'you reply “No” t A.—l answered “Yes.” Putthoqncs tlon ogaln. . The question was repeated. A—The question was not pub In that way. Q.~How was It put! A.—lt was whether I knew anything about 150 barrels of whisky In a warehouse which was receipted In my name, and I said I did not- - Q.—'Were you asked at that time, In funeral terms, whether you knew of - ANT FRAUDS nCINd PRACTICED on the revenue In whisky, ami did you say you dirt not? A.—l was not ashed that question. Tho question was put again with tho same re sult. itwasnlsomnaoto cover the refining busi ness, but tho witness stuck to his answer. Q.—Didn’t yon swear you knew of no crookedness in tho whisky business? A.—l was never asked (hu question, except as I hove stated. q.—Nothing was asked yon by tbo Grand Jury except In reference to tho IftO barrels of whisky, tho receipt of which was signed in your name? A—No. Q.— And It tnmedout that it was not you who ripncdll? A. —Yes, sir. <2.—Was that all they ashed you on tho whisky business? A.—Yes, sir. They asked me about a rcrtaln Ganger—lTood—lfl bod tried to get him'a dace, mid I said I had. (2.— Did they ask as to his honesty or dishon esty? A.—No, sir. tj.—'You now swear (hat that was all that hap* pened or transpired before the Grand Jury? A.— They ashed ma other questions about my business, bnt not about whisky. THE ROOKS OP THE MALT 110038. Q.—Did you kcqn any books of your malt husl* ness? A.—Yes, sir. q.—'What dldyou do wllh them?. A.—l keep tho books now, except what wo did not use, which were burned whch we dissolved partnership? Q.—Were you ever A REVENUE OFFICER 7 A.—l was; about four mouths. Q.—Under whom? A.—Under Johnson, q*—Who was your immediate superior ofllcor? A.— Olnoy, tho bupcrvlsor. q.-JofmOlnoyf A.—Yes, sir. q.—Whntwas your business under him? A,—l was to report to him, bnt ho never told mo to do anything much. I was in there three or (our months, mid didn’t do much. q.—Did you over report to him? A.—l used to go to his oillcc, hut he was not much there. (j.—Did you ever hold any other ofllce? A.—No, sir. (2* —That was tho only ofllce of tho kind that yon over held? Yus. sir. Q.—When was that? A.—l think it was iu the full of 1888. TUB FIRST CONFESSION. Q.—When did yon first tell anybody that you gave him a package of $1,000? A—l think 1 told my attorney first, tj.—Who is that? A—Campbell, q.—WhatCampbell? A.—UeorgeC- Campbell, q.—And ho Is the ono you think you first told It to? A.—l don't know; I might have told others. I cannot stale. q.—Did you go and examine the books of Burke’s Hotel and mid out whether Munn was there on the 3d of December? A.—l did not. q.— Did you hnvo anybody rfo it? A.—l don't know whether anybody did that, q.—Didyou examine tho books at tho crockery merchant's and And out that It was tho 3d? A.—l did, and found that the order was charged on the 3d and shipped on the Bth. q. —Why then did you swear hero it was between tho Ist and tho Rth when you knew it was tho 3d? A—Weil, sometimes a man makes a mistake In dates. q.—Then when you said It was between tho ltd ana sth you already knew it was tho 3d from their hooks. A.—l stated so. q.— Have yon ever attempted to raise any money hero except for political purposes? A.—No. sir. q.—Did you over attempt to raise, or did yon ralso any money, except In this whisky business and for political purposes? A.—No, air; not that 1 know of. ql— Have you trlcd to raise any money from the distillers since you were Indicted? A.—No, sir. q.—Did you Immediately before you were In dicted? A.—No, sir. conuumorr bond. q. —Did yon endeavor to raise any money, as you avowed or said, of getting oil In this case, or of buying up tho officers of tho Court? A.—No, sir. q.—Did you not raise $2,500 with tho avowed purpose of corrupting some officer of this court? A.—No, sir; I never raised a dollar, q.—Did you try to? A.—No, sir. q.— Did you Know of any money being raised? A.-I did not. q.— Did you hear of any money being raised? A. -No, sir. q. —For tho avowed purpose of corrupting Borne )fficer of the court? A. —Nut to my knowledge, q.—But did you hear of it? A.—Not fur uny such purpose. q.—. For uny purpose connected with those salts? A.—l heard that money was being raised to send Mr. Juessen to Washington. Q.—For what? A.—To dxup these cases, I sup* POM). Q,—Had yon been arrested at Hint time? A.—l never was arrested. I gave myself up uad gave ball. ft.—Wore you Indicted? A.—l was. TITE S(iUEAIi. WHAT CAUSED IT. Q.—How long was It lifter your Indictment that you wont to thu Oovodimunt officers and proposed to tell all you knew! A.—l never wont. Q.—WlO went for you? A.—l don't know, ft.—Did you ever go ami see them) A.—l did after I was before tbo Grand Jury. Q.—Then when did you go before them and propose to tell wbat you knew! A.—l didn't propose to tell what 1 know; 1 didn't make any sui-h proposition. Q.—Who did you go and ace! A.— I They eeufc for me. Q.—Who nro they! A.—You spoke of tbo Government attorneys. Q.—l eald officers. Whovnt for you! A.— Mr, Ayer, one day. Q.—Whutduyl It was just after I pleaded guilty or before. Q,—Do you say to the Jury that you don't recollect whether you went before you pleaded guilty or not; whether you made a clean breast of It and vomited what you knew before or after you plead guilty? A.—l never wont there; 1 was only sent for. Q.—That does not answer my question. Was ft before on after you plead guilty. A.—l think tt was before. , Q. —Well, don’t you know? A.—Well, I do, O.—‘Thun, why did you say you thought yuu did! Don't you know you WANTED TO BAVU YODU UIDSt You went to Mr. Ayer! A.—Yes, sir, (^.— When woa that! A.—A few days before 1 1]• Y o u^'ta lo now os a fact what allttlo while ©gu you didn't know? A.—l was speaking to yon übMt the Grand .Jury, , . ft. —but you didn't plead guilty before the Grand Jury. Was it before or after you pleaded guilty? A.—Before. ft, -Did you propose to tell what you know? A* —t didn't oropArt anything{ they asked mo. 1 ft.— Dm you tell them? A.—l did. . ft.—Was that Uio first Utto yoa ever wont before them? A.—Yes, tlr. ft.—Did you havoahy understanding with any of thorn about It? A.—No, air. ft. —Did yourlawyer see them shout you?' A.—l don't know whether ho did; I prt«un>« lift did. Mr. Ayerohjfloted to IhtqumtMfv but the nbjee* tlnn woe overruled . ft, —Did yonr lf»wy*a<aJl f(W? A.—l don't know that ho tola me gnusafeoeva. The Ant I know of It Mr. Aye.* sent Ua <«• ft.—At tbs* tin** diOyjm know Whether ytfur lawyer had soon thorn or noil A.—l suppose bo had seen them. ft.—Did ho tell you so? A.—Yes, sir: he did. ft.—Did he (oil yuitat thattlmo that U Was mfo for you to go and 101 l wliatyou know? A..-Yes, lie advised mo. ft*—Did ho say It war safe? A.—Saror (I.— Yes; that ho Luc any arrangement or bar* gain? A.—No. sir. ft.—Did ho tell you It wastho best way to savo yonrbldo?' A.—l suppose so. ft.—Did he tell yon «o? A.—Ho told rao U wonld behest •> plead guilty. ft.—Dtd iw would bo the beet way for yon to get out nl It* A.—He said U was tho best way to do. and to take the chances. Ho told mo that before I pleaded guilty. ft.—DlOlmuiU you that he had made Any sails* factor}* arrungomenta with tho Government offl* dais? A.-Mo. sir. ft.—Did be tell yon what arrangements wero made? A.—No. Sir. O.—Did yon a»U him? A.—No, rtr. ft.— Mr. ilohm, please look atom Jury, and (ell them yml nover asked whether any arrangements had been mads to that effect? A.—l asked him, nnd ho told mo to plead guilty; end, that If there was any leniency in tho Court, It would be the best way to toll tho truth. ft,—Did ho say anything else? A.-HTo thought the Court would lake it into consideration. ft.— Did he think tko f'onrt wonld tako It Into consideration If you turned State's evidence? A.— Probably bo did. ft.—Did tao toll yon of any Arrangements? A.— Ho told mo of no arrangement. ft.—Did he ask you If it was understood that yon wore to bo treated easily? Onoptlon objected to. The Court thought tho point had been pressed far. enough. It being 1 o’clock, on hour's recess was taken, On reassembling tbo cross*oxaralnallon was con* tinned. IMMUNITY. ft,—Did yon understand from your attorney that any arrangements had been made whpreby you were to get off any easier than those who wouldn't ulcndgulity? A.--I did in an Indirect way: tbo best way would bo to plead guilty; It would bo easier on mo. , ... ft.—Did ho tell you ho bad any particular talk with the attorneys for tbo Government, and that they had agreed on anything? A,—Uo never told mo they had agreed. * Q.--Dld you understand they had? A.—l did not, air. _ ■WADSWORTH. wuat nn dor. Q.—l understood you to any you paid Philip Wadsworth some money? A.—-I did, sir. Q.—About how much In nil? A.—Ten or vclvo thousand dollars. q.—Where was ho when you paid him tho rst amount? A.—ln his office. Q.—Uow much was 111 A.—About $1,700. Q. Whnt did you pay him In? A.—Currency. q.—When was It! A.—Well, some time jout tJurist of January, 1875. q.—When did you pay him tho accond time? ..—Right along after that. Q.—Wheivtho second time? A.—Tho follow ing month, It seems to mo. Q.—About bow much moncyl A.—Twenty fivo hundred dollars. Q.—How did you pay him! A.—ln cur* jnev. Q.—Where was ho at that time! A.—lu bis office. . Q.—When did you next pay him! A.—Tho following month. Q.—How much did you nay him tho third time? A.—l think from that time begot $3,700 a month right along. (2.—Of whom did yon get that currency? A.— , From tho distillers. <2.—Did yon pay out tho some currency you re* cclved? A.—Not always. Q,—Wherewas ho when you paid him tbfttt A.— Up was (n his otllco. Q.—Did you pay him anything la April? A.,—l did. Q.—How much? A.—About $2,700. (2.—Where wnadm then? A.—ln his office. About whatday of April, in your Judgment? A,—Alongnbonl the Ist to tho sth, generally. Q.—Did you pay him any in May? A.—Yes, sir; tho same amount, $3,700. (2-—Where did yon pay him that? A.—Right on the corner out hero. I was coming up and mot q‘_ What did you give It tobim in? A.—ln cor* ■ rcncy, In u large envelope. • (2.—Wbntklndof uncnvelopo? While, yellow, or what? Do you recollect? A.—l don't recollect, exactly. S,—’ When did you put nin the envelope? A.— ore I left my office. .. . _ Q.—Whatoffleoaroyoa speaking of ? A.—Tho Superintendent of Ponce. Q. —What did you tall him when you rosdo these ■payments? A. —I simply gave It to him and told iiim nothing. After the first arrangomant there was nothing over said. UOTT. 9 Q.—tlow many times did yon pay Hoyt! A.— l paid him tho first money in November. Q.— How much did you pay him? A.—One thousand dollars. Q.—November of what year? A.—Of 1874. <2.—When did you pay idm again? A.—Right ' along every month. (2- Every month till when? A.—Tho Ist of May* 0.-How much each month? A.— Sometimes SSOO, sometimes S7OO or SBOO. Q.— About what. In your Judgment, wonldlt av erage from November, 1874. until May. 1875? A.—Seven mouths; the first month he got SI,OOO, mid tbo balance he got from SSOO to SBOO. (j.— Would It average §OOO for seven months? A.—Yea, sir. Q.~llowrauch did you giro him, —54,000 or $5,000? A.—l guess so. Q.— How much did you gtvo a month? A.—l couldn't toll Just now. (i.— Yon ,gave him §6OO first,— when web that? A.—ln 1872. ft.—When did he die? A.-1n1874. <).—What month? A.—October, Q.-Toll the jury whether you paid him each and every month, from 1872 until October, 1874. A, —Whenever I got any. Q.—What month lu 1672 did you pay him first? A—lt was In the fall. Q.—October? A.—Might be. ft.— How much lu October? A—l told you SSOO. ft.— How much fn November? A.—l couldn’t tell that. It might have been often over §SOO. ft.—How much did you pay him In January, 187 U? A.—lcouldn'ttftll that (J,-Give us ypur best Idea. A—l can’t toll that. I).—Will yon swear you gave him anything In January. 187:1? A.—l couldn’t tell that. ft.—Did you give Mm as much os $500? A.—lf he got anything at all ho got SSOO. ft.—Will you swear you gave bln? anything more than sT>oo In January? A.—l presume I aid; I don’t know. Will you nwcar you guvo him 5700? A.— No, sir: rwon'tswcnranythlngof the kind. tj.—Will yon swear you in ive him 8500 In Feb* niary? A.—l can’t tell. They didn’t pay every month right along. Q.—Will you swear you gave him anything in IfeOruary? A.—l won’t, air. (j.-df you did, how much did yon give him? A.—l 101 l you I won’tHwcur I gavo him anything. (J.— In March, 1873? A.—l couldn’t swear to that; Itwss too long ago t£.—Oh, of course you want to ho careful obont these things. Will you swear you paid him any* thing In March? A.—lhavo nououbt 1 did. Q,.—lf you say you have no douht you paid him something, and If you gave him anything you gave him SSOO. Then will you swear you have no doubt you paid him SSOO In April, 1873? A.—Not right along— o.—flow much In April! A. —I don’t know, witness was then catechised as to whether ho paid anything In May, Juno, July, August etc.,of 1873, and declined to ewear positively. If he re* celved anything from tho distillers ho paid to It' via. rna taurfCAL rimbrvis. Q.-DUyoukcuii any of this money and nso U foryour own purposes! A—Yes. All I spent for politics 1 kept fcHtnyuolf. <i.—Hut you dllu’tgrab nny for your own per* sonal purpostat A.—-Oh, uaybo a few boxcu of cigars. . . Q.-Jubl tell tto Jury you never kept any of thin mowfcy for persoml purposes! A.—l uuvo told you eo, and 1 toll yopso again. Q,—Have you. used all tills mouuytobuynp thuso ofllcore—a,kind of a missionary, eb ? A.— Yea, elr. Did you py anything in December ! A.—l have no doubt 1 dm. Q.—Do you rcmllect paying Mm anything! A. —I know I paid llmai nigh os til,ooo and al.fiOO. Q.— Did yon tier par him more than 9*4,000 at a timer A.—Yci, I think 1 paid him along In the full of 1871, JUBtbcforw bodied, $4,400 nre4,300. (J.—ln Junuafc'.lHTi, did you pay him any* thing 7 A— I dart recollect; wouldn’t swear to any particular uunth. Q.~Do you swear now that yon cannot swear to having paid oumjy out fur any particular month! A.—l know vrhdi (bo thing started 1 commenced at ho much a rooith an fuat us I got It. Q.— l have no poubt you divided perfectly fair with him. will rou swear you don’t recollect any r articular moutW A—Yes, 1 do. On towards the nil of 1874 I pal) him sll. SOU or $3,900 a> month. The distillers puQ mom then. <).— Old you hay liln anything in February, 18747 A-ltblik 1 did. Q.—ls' there aJy month, the amount of which you recollect! 11— No 51 paid him sometimes 9000 and up tot, 300 a mouth. 1 can’t tell (he exact months, ortho amount each month.' Q.— Did you pat him anything In October! A.— I paid him; 1 toot 11 op to his bouse. 1 think I SAW mu VUCN UR WAS sick aubu. Q.-Uow'mnc| dUyon giro him at that time ! A.—l think It wa» $4,800 or |4,000, Cj.—Will you s;a(«uilt*yuo ]>old him on anavSr* age $4,000 per lamtt! A—No, sir; 1 did not. Q.—Did you payUmou an average SI,OOO per jaoutbi A—l dm'(think on on avenge ib&tbe cot'll.sfK)t It wa»fiomol!fficißl,ooo andsome** times S1<«00. >■ ft.—ilow many mofttßs'durlng’ thnl llmo didn't the distilleries run? A.—Some shut down arid Some ran. - M ft.—How long did aomoof them stop? A.—fl Otto slopped twO or throe months In tho summer. ft.—And these remained running from Beptem* her or October 1873 to September* or October 14574? A 1 made a mistake, excuse mo. Col. InservoU—No, I won't excuse von. Witness—Yon spoko about tho average.. If ion take tho avenge, lie has got more than 310,000; a good deal more. . • <4. —.Tara struck you, did It! A.—No, sir, but you asked mo the average.- ft.—l think you stated $1,200: Is that trno? A.—lie got more.than that: I know ho has got romewhcrcs near 800,000 altogether, because I limned nut tho money for him. -Q.-*Thoti he rnu«t have got;2oo P° p month? A.—lie must have. . ft.—Did ho got ns much as $1,6001 A.—Do may have gotten from $1,500 to SI,BOO. ft.—How many months from September, 18*2, to October, 1871? A.—That Is'about twcuiy*four months. ft.—Ho# much will that com* to at sl, SOO por mouth? A. —About $-10,000. ft.—That’s too him ain’t It? A,—Yoa, elr, that' Is too big. I know tlio aggregate of the money which I paid out. Tho aggregate was $25,000 or SOO,OOO. ft— I Than It was 81,800 a month? A.—No, sir. ft.— Fifteen hundred? A.—l can’t aweor to any exact amount. ft.—Who got lbs most, nniDORH 6ft mviHl ■ • . A.— Drldgos got $2,500 more than Irvin one time. That was in September or October* 1874-. That was the only time. • ' Q.—Did you swear In yonr direct examination or on my cross that yoa paid Urldgosabout $40,000 ? A.—l did. ft.—Was that truoor false? A.—Tito truth ft.—lf ho only got $2,500 moro than Irvin, didn’t* Irvin get at least $42,600? A.—No, sir; Inin wah paid and tbo balance want to Wadsworth. ft.—What yon mean Is that from SIO,OOO to $12,000 of this went to WAdSworth? A.—Yea, sir. ft.—So that what yon gavo Irvin added to what you gave Wadsworth amounted to what you gavo bridges? A.—Yes, sir. ft.—You swear this did not average $1,500 nor ihonth? A.—lt might h»vo averaged that. lie might have spent money that I didn't know any* thing of: I couldn't say. He had that much money. ft.—Was Irvin Indebted to you In any way? A. —No, oh*, ft.—Was Wadsworth? A,—No, sir. WAni>’9 IKDEbtBbNB39. Q.—Was Wart) indebted to y6nt A- —Yes. sir. (J. —Sid you have bid bOto then? A,—l bold It Q.—Were yon dnpnlng him to’pay your notent the same time that you were paying him money? A. —1 did, sir. Q.—Did yon write to him? Objected to and objection overruled. A.—l did. t^.—How much did ho owe yon at tho time yon paid him (hd first $500? A.—'Twenty-five huoured dollars. Did you dun him for that s3,soobefore that? A.—Yes, sir. o.—lie wan owing yon at that time, yon say? A. cs, he was, hut the note was nut line then. <2- —Flow much was he owing you at the time yon pave him tho last $1,000? A,—llo was owing mo $5,000, • <2-—Did yon dnn Wtn for that before? A.—Yes, sir. ~ . Q.—At the time yon had this In yonr hands? A.—Yeb, sir. Q. —Did you ask him to let It apply on tho debt? A.—l did not. • F Q.—Did you say anything about It when you gave him the money? A.—l did not. Q.—ls tbst tho only money you gave him? A.—l gave him money three titan*. Twice I gave him SI,OOO, nnJoucafcoOO. That la all tho money 1 gave him. Q.—Do yon say you never gave him money any other time) never did? A.—Yes, sir. t 2. —I mean In this business, and not when yon were friends; you might have loaned him a dollar now and then. I don't mean that? A.—ln this business that is all 1 gave him. ' Q.—ls that all the money yon over gave him la any way connected with,tula whisky business? A. —You, sir. < Q. —Do you now say there was no writing upon tho envelope which you gave him containing the SI,OOO. A. —I didn't put in any writing.. Q.—Was there any writing on It when yon gave Utohldi? A.— Pretty sure there was not. MUNN AGAIN. THE UtTBUTIEW AT DURKB’B. Q.—Do you recollect what ttmo it was that you gave Munn tho SI,OOO f A.—What time of day it was! Mo, sir; 1 didn’t look at my watch. Q.—Yon can’t 101 l whether it was morning or evening except by looking at your watch 1 A. —Sometimes, during business hours. Q.—When you wont to see him at Darke’s did you sneak In ut tho back door! A.—No, 1 went right up. Q.—How largo a packogo of money did you give him! A.—A pretty largo one. I took lb out of my Rocket. Q.—Was It lust os you received ft from Junker? A.—Yes. Q.—now long before that did yoa receive it from Junlcerl A.—The some day. as soon as you received It from Junker did you send up for Mann I A.—ldo not remember whether 1 sent up for him or whether ho came down. Q.—How many times were you lu Munn’a ofllccl A.—Not more than two or three times. Q.—Dldyounco anybody there except hlral A.—Ho was In a little back oQIco. Tlioro was another door at tbo back of It, and somebody was Bitting tlicro at the desk. Q.— Do you known man by tbo name of Pope? A.—l have heahl tho name. Q.—Wu* ho in there? A.—ldo not know bat ho was In. TUB CIIOCKEnV. Q.—l understood you to say that you went from Burke's to tho crockery store. Do you recollect being at tho Collector's office when Mr. - Muon was there, and llmt ho asked Mr. Irvin where would bo a good place to buy some crockery? A.—No. o.— And that Mr. Irvin said, “Mr. Itobm can tell yon as good a placo as anybody"? A.—No, nothing of the kind; that was done at Darke's. Q.—Did you then say, “lean take you to a place where you can got It at wholesale prices"? A.—l did. but not to Irvin. Q.— Did all that tako placo lo Darke’s? A.— Yes. ft.—When you went In tbo crockery store what did you say? A.—l Introduced Mr. Munn to Mr. Jaeger, and said that he wanted to buy a set of crockery for his family or his wife, aud aeked him to sell It as cheaply as ho could. Q,—What did yoa first say to Munn when you went Into Darke’s Hotel? A.—l told him what Bridges had told mo. 1 said to him. “I under stand there is some dissatisfaction between 'you and Bridges." He said that Bridges had been " knocking down," and had not played square. I said I would like to knowMtdlu uot make any difference to mot-thntif he wanted me to. do the work for him I would do so. 1 said 1 could tell him how much Bridges got each mouth, orl said that the previous mouth ho got-so much. Maun did not say anything to this. ft.—Tlicu what did you say? A.—He said that he thought Bridges acted ktndof queer. loskod him If 1 should go on (he same way, and he said yes. I nald ‘ 4 all right," and that wm* all. Then he commenced about going to the crockery-shop, and said be wonted tobuy a set of crockory for hts wife. JUNKER’* CASH. Q.—Too afterwards saw him In this office* A.— Yea, sir. IlridgescameovorandaatdheandMunn liar) been over to lloelle & Junker I *. I told Mann, and be said, * 4 All these men know this thing, ana I ought to do something. It don't amount to any* thing, but I ought to ronort, for fear those men should talk about IL" lie oak) be would aeo me about It. I don't know as I said anything. Ho said nothing that I know of partlcnlarlr. Junker came over, and I wont over to him.- and ho rnoko about thin money, and I went and told Mutin ft bo would lot H go 1 would make It right for him. Q.—Where did you got A,—To hla office. (J,—Thutis twice you went to hla office 1 A.— Yes, sir. <i.—Who wob In there then? A.—l don't know as anybody was In? q.—Then what did you tell Mount A.—l told Ulni If ho would come over to-morrow I would mnkeltall right. Then I got this money and gave It to him. Q. —Did you send for him? A.—No; I think bo came over. (£.—ls It your recollection now tint you went to Munn’s oOlco about the Junker matter!. A.—l think 1 did. (£.—Didn't you tell Uunn Chat you would go and see Junker! A—l think he said he wanted to see Junker. •NO CONSULTATIONS. Atwhal (into did you have a meeting with any of tlioee dlnUlers for th# purpose of making up yOor minds whether you wonhl plead guilty or nut? A.—Never had any meetings to talk about my pleading guilty. They have bud meeting*, and I have been In, but never talked about it. (>.—llow many meetlngs'dtd you- attend? A.— Only one or two, and that was in Col. JtleMen’a offle*. I happened to coma la and tbeywera lo Q.— Uidyouaca Junker? A.—l don’t eay that I .»■■*«*« t»m«i ajt n rent. Ho cither came or I went to «ou Urn. Col. ligcraou Toattaoll. tx.—Didn’t you say you wonW go and oca Junker; didn't you swear toil) A.—-Imoy have «ald so. Q.—lf you did, wu It truo or falsa T A.—Totbo best of my recollection after I left Jlunn’a ofllco 1m came to my ofllce, erl wonttoaeo him. Q.—l want to know whether It U your beet recol lection that you told Mann that you would go and e«u Junker or not. What le your beat recollection) A.—l think 1 did. Q.—Whou you found Junker whet did you aay to blmT A.~ 1 told him about'thls thing. ti.— I Tell me what you told him. Joet Imagine yourself them with Junker. Of course you sold, Good morning, Mr. Jauker.” A.—lf you give me a chance I Will answer your question. Q.—All right; 1 think that I, knowing nothing ahont tU coaid answer more truthfully than you do. Tell me what you told Juukurt A.—l told him what Mans bad said. (/.—NoI not What did you tell him that Maun bed said r A.—l wu going on to tell. Mann had said he wu'afraid that the man In thedistillery would talk about It, and he wu worried about ft. Q.—Arc yon euro of that) A.—l am pretty sure of it. That has always'been'his bobby, that bo wu afraid of the mao In the sUll-bouae. . . (£. _lf you told Junker that Mutm was afraid of the distillery man, what did Junker say) A.—l don’t say I spoke of tbo distillery man; I spoke of tbo working meo in the concern. Junker wanted to know if t hadn’t better give bio something. I said 9500. Ho sold that wasn't enough, and to make it a present of $1; 000. • Q.—Didn’t yon tell him bo had been getting poy all along! A.-I told him 1 thought be ought no* tO Q.” ofd you' toil him he ted baetr getting 'pay all tbo time? A.—lt wasn't necessary to lollluro. Q.—Did you tell him that Munn wu already In you pay) Jlyou don’t remember, uj ao» I don't think I said to (n so many wcrdfc, I mi, danker to understand that Mbtin ought not Id bar* 1 Anything because bo had been paid. laoidtbxvln §a many word*. you t«n him that tttmo wM tn the ring? A. —lt was nut necessary. Q.—Did yon tell him that? A.—Flo know whom (ho money was going, because wo talked about It often; q.— Qlveuslheday? A.—l conldnot. q.—Hive u* the placo? A.—l could not, q.— Didyoo ever TBLL WADSWORTH THAT MCKS WAS IM the business? A.—Too. air, I did. q.—When? A.—When ho first sfnrtqdln. Ho wanted to know who olio was In, and 1 told him that Bridges, Hoyt, and Muon were in. q.—Who else? A.—Now, about Hoyt, I didn't any that till after I gave him the money. HO Want* od to know If he should divide It With anybody, t said that was for himself. q.—Ttio first time yea met Wadsworth yofi told him this; when was It? A.— Id December. 1874. I didn't pay him the money till January, 1875. q.—But at that Mraeyou told him exactly Who was in? A.—Yes, air. REITM’S WBAXiTII* MATCTNO AM rNTBMTOTIT. Q.—-About bow much aro yon worth how, Mr. U«hm ? A.— I That Is something 1 couldn’t toll just now. I suppose I am worth about 1100,000, «u<l perhaps more If ray property would bring what ti la worth. Q.—flow much ready money have youl A.— Not any. Q. —Will you mrcnr yon don't comridcr yotrr* ecU worth $200,0001 A.—No, sir.. I don’t know whatl could get for my property. Q.—How much'do you think It Is worth nt a ftdr Taluallonl A.—ll might beworth more— Q.—Will you swear It ain’t worth half t mill" loi m? A.—Yes. sir. ■ Q.—Nor $400,0001 A.*—Tca.efr. Q.—Or $000,000! A.—Yes, sir. ftlffbetwfecn $200,000 and $300,000. Just now It wouldn't be worth $200,000. It inlglit bo worth more than that next year. Q.~Uow mnch money In atl'dldyonrecolta from the distillers, CJaugcbi, and orcrynody clee ? A.—From SIIO,OOO to $120,000 probably, robmoAL DisntmshMfiMts. Q.— Did you use an; of this money In politics f A.—*A good deni. Q.—flow much f A.—Oh, I couldn't tell that. Givoagucsa? A.—l couldn't toll that. I had money, and 1 thought I might as well spend It that wav os to give It to these other ofllccrs. Q.—flow much did you spend In politics f A.— From 812,000 to $20,000. Q.—You didn't use any of it yourself? A.—l might havo used some myself. CL— Oh, a few dollars T A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Whom were you helping to elect with thla money? Was it the itepulmcnn party? A.— Yea, sir. Q.—lt was carrying the. part; along? A.—Yds, sir. > Q.—Doing what you thought was necessary In the city to keep up the organisation! A,—Not only that, bnt my politics lasted the wbolo year round. Q.—Yon were busy the whole year In tho po lltlcol business! A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Dldyoti ever Have any policemen to notify parties of those visits! A.—No, sir: but I used a man, Inst to tend him (onr or Qve times, ,1 vent word to Hosing, and bo ooUOod “Bammol” Mil* ler. Q.—Do yon recollect going to the Board of Trade In August, 1874, and notifying anybody that Munn was about to go to tils distillery! A.—l don't re*, member. i o.—Doyott remember going tbero ondnotlfylng' ! George Millar! A.—l don’t Vhink I did. I think ■ltwasamuhfcrtnun. George told mo’that'Tleslnk 1 came to him once on the Board of Trade, but I don’t know. Q.—Do I understand yen to say thht you novor said to Hosing that yon bad received so much money tbatyoa must unload! A.—l never said so. COOPER. Q. —Do you know a man by tbo name of Cooper! A.—Yes, sit. Q.—Dld yon over inform him on tho Board of Trodo that Mr. MUnn was about to go to this dis tillery grin danger of It! A.—l do not know as I did. Q.—Did Mr. Cooper nftenvahls come to you and gives you a blovrtog-up for glvlnchlni a fatso alarm, and tell you he had lost a mash by reason of It! A.—No, sir; ho did not. . Q.—Did Mr. Dallcntlno ever say anything of that kind!- A.—l novOr know him. I never spoke to him and ho never spoke to mo. « , Q.—How many times-wore you beforo the Grand Jury, In Oetobor! A.—Once. jQ* —I understood yon to say that the fleet persons yon went before—wun It ahything before the Gov ernment or Mr. Ayer! A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Did yon go to Mr. Dexter! A.—l think ho canto In tho office while Lwas there. (j.—Did you t<co Mr. Dexter aiono-about this .business! A.—Notal that time; I saw him alnco. I think my attorney told mo that Ayer wanted to see moat hla office and 1 went over there and' Dor ter came Jn. Q.—Well, you state (hat so far as you know there was NO AiIItANOEirENT OR UKDBRSTAnDINO OR AORBBMBNT that yon should have immunity if you should tarn State's evidence! A.—No, sir. Q, —You never understood any such thing! A. No, sir; my attorney advised me, and tolame tbo CouTtwouUltake it Into consideration, and it would he better for mo. Q.—Did you consider tbnt ltw<u wrong to enter Into an arrangement b j which men-bod to swear lies? A.— I considered it vroa wrong; yea, sir. Q,—Did you think It waa then? A.—l didn't think onytulngabout It then. Q."—Will you now swear, and do yon now swear to the jnry, that at the time you commenced yon did ? not tbmkwhethcr it was wrong or not? A.—l don’t think I aaw anything wrong in It at that time. I became more familiar with tala thing afterward. Q,.—Did yon qnitltwhcn yon found It out? A.-* Uwoa TOO LATH TO QUIT IT. ' Q.—Yonr conscience began to‘touch yon when you found it out or before? A.—l never thought much about it. 4-—You don’t think it la as wrong to swear aHe about a small amount aaa-blg amount? A.—Yes. 1 do. . Q.—Have you nowtold all you know shoot this Illicit whisky business? A.—All I remember. Q.—Unve you now told ail the men that you paid any money to for tho .purpose of bribery? A,— Yes, sir. Q.— I include inthat any money that you gave for any purpose of .fraud, whether the man was a District Attorney, a member of Congress, a Sen ator, or anything'else? A.—l paid out some for politics. Q.— I mean the olhccra of the Government, for anypnrpose whatever? A.—Yes, air. ASaiOMIKO OAUOBR9. Q.—Now, thCn, wire the Gangers in this whole town appointed or removed as you dictated? A.—. No, air. O.—Did yon go to Mr. Irvin to have the Gauger* or Storekeepers assigned to particular distilleries? A. —1 supposed you asked about removals. Q.—l meant Assignment*? A*.—Yes, sir. d. —Did y oil have control, through Irvin, of that? A.— Yes, sir. Q>—Did you retain control of that same business through wadsworth? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Were all tho Gaugers alike? A.—All but Ono. <s.—Who was the exception? He w&, I eappose, snme poor, honest fellow? A. —Ho was ft good man, and be laalll) Inlhe service hero,— Ulnckloy. . . Q;—Ho was the only man that would not do what thodlsllllere wanted? A.—Yus, sir. Q. —For whnt' reason did yon keep this honest Gauger? Now lot as know right square. A. —Well, sir, no was n man that Irvin wouldnot dismiss any how. Ho used to live In Irvin’s house. Ue kept him on that account. Q.—Didn't yon keep that honest Ganger bo that if any bouse did not come down yon could send that honest Ganger over, there! Honor bright, now! A.~*lle wns—eomewbat in’that way. That Ib true. Q,—Did you ketphlmas a whipV. A.—No, sir. He hod to have something-to da <l;—And if they dldn't-como down, didn’t you threaten them with. Hinckley! A-—No, air. Q.—Have yen had your 'trial yet, air. Hohwi! A.—No. elr. Q.—No sentence has yet been, passed upon you! A;—No, blt. Q.— Do yon tenow what the Indictment wait for! A.—Conspiracy wlththwo dlatlllen'to ilcfniod the Government .. . <j.—Ao I.undorsland, .you.pleaded guilty! A.— Ves, elr. Q.—And not yefbeen sentenced! A.—No, elr. Q.—How long ago did you plead guilty. A.—lt wan in last llorch. Q,—When wc»c-yoa tndlctod? A.—ln Janeiro (I.,—Who vvu -Dwtrlct Attorney when you were ;A.-«i.J!nne«. .. , 1 •q.r*Uow.maoy. were IndlcUd at the tome time you were? A-—I couldn’t tell. « ÜBDIUBOT. , . • tf4 , . Q.—Tn what case worg you varnmocea before the Grand Jury lut October! A.—No cm* ln P“ rti?u lor. They asked on about CM hooka and 150 bar* T-Vlll yon oxplaln tbstT A.-Thar«Wjlso barrel* In the Chicago Dock Company’! WWChooas. and they were takenoot by ’■onto one algnlngmy name to the warehouse receipt, 1 WM.aaUto to know whether lelgned that receipt prnOtj . q. —Did you know anything sbpuUhe late ikU question waa in regard to my fignaturs* and 1 think rwent over the ne‘t day toKing'* store ttd I gain U as 1 always wrote It. aacpoM. , . . Q.—You say Ward eratnlnsd you* A.—Tw, Did yon know Oleeont A.—Yee, «lr. 3.—Wash*there, toot A.—Yea, sir. q.—Did bo oak you any questions t A*—lM, other man? A.—Mr. Hoag. _ q.x'ltoagaaksdyon tiUeeUouai £-Yn, efri tiuws were the most that asked me question*. Others might have aaked me queatlona. o,—You ere still aatisiud you v eto only there QftCdl^A.wXjw,.alr. Q;—Dld yon ever tend notice to George Bor. roughs that Mann wm about to go to bUdlßlitlorT f A*—l have no doabt of it. J ’Q.—Bnt when was Itf Did you do It In 1873? A, —1 couldn't (ell you. M .q,—ln 1874? ,A-—I have no doubt of 1L 6BOSING PROOBBDINGSk i. wi, hood* ' ' was rccallcd,und IsajclMurin never asked him any questions''aboul’tboso thrcobafrcla at Qol iCh’s & Eastman’*. Muon bod told him on an dtlfer occasion, v wben ho was heforo Commit- - slbact* Uoyno bn the bhnrgo of'making a talso refport, to “ keep a stiff npner'llp. H On the cross.examination ho admitted that bo took thla remarkaaatacto frtendiy-ondr-•-- ft. J. CONKLIN next took the stand,—a tall man. with fnH black board, and boldfdrchead. He testified a* follows* Uls C legal question Inst where my legal resi dence Is. rhnvolivod In Wisconsin, but my fami ly wnw-llve In Windsor, Can. I was a Itevenno Agent, with headquarters at Milwaukee. Morin was Snporvlsor then. I got instructions from the Dflpartmont-flnd ,from-Uunn. should think be came op about onco a month 'between Januars ami- -May,' 1875.. Ho waft there Monday • AorUSO, 1875,.and wont 27th. V visited some dlstlllcrlca With-him—the Klnnikln* nick. O'Nolirsnndtho Menominee./: tie had'wflt* ten that bo'wonld bo In MllwAdKeo'lfbnday-to sea .toe and the Collector and the District-Attorney, to' arrange a proposed compromise between the Coy, eminent ormHbanintlekupfs. , At this stage ah argument earned upon the ad. mlflfftbllltyb/ certain .evidence,, which would tend to show that the witness had been sent to on a mis. r sion to Milwaukee by Mutm, 4b order to-make soma 'money; out of (lie- distiller* there,.: the amount alleged being' SB. 000. The package.. It wm .claimed, .waa banded toMUnn atubo.hojol; ail which was objected to as evidence by Col. Ingcr-' •oil, Mr. Booted made a length; argument for the a), lowing of the - Introduction of Uio testimony, and quoted ftom several authorities to’snalalii'hfm. Co), ingersbll answered. Mr. BtihtQll/ and nt> tempted to show that. If the prosecution admitted thla evidence, the dcfCnse'iinda rightto produoo some lit rcbdltal, and be'given time tomaUc ottt - thelr-defcnse. Mh Ayer answered briefly. Dnrlnghlsargumenl hh sald that 1 tins prbsecnlioti had' inndQ'OtU an overwhelming cue tip to this Umo, aod'Ooald da without Conklin, If-necossary. Col. Ingorsoll orosu and said that howaswllHn* to submit the case to the Jar;-without saying an. [other word. . i Mr. Ayer—Ton will allow it to stnnd'aa; it U> ;no\vf :< *’■ ' ' Cot. Ingcrsolt—Wo accept yonrehalloogoi . i Mr. Ayer then briefly consulted with Mr. iHoutoll, and said ho. would- conclude hUfl remarks 'first* . . ' - * , . | Co). Ingcrsoll—Talte'U on nbw or/nevdo-don’l say another word about 11.- Wo are ready to tnbmlt our case to tho jury as It elands. . . ; TheCourt—Mr. AJrcr ptoccod. * Mr. Ayer 'concluded his srgunlent, 'When tha {Court decided to consider the'matter- and deliver nir opinion thlstnorfllng. ' ■ Court then adjourned till -20 - o'clock. this mors* |tag. • ,i - TOrDAT.. . It Is,altogether likely that the. prosecution will {to-day endeavor to show that there Was 'a connec jtton between the conspiracies InChicflgb and Mil waukee* to defraud the- Government : of tha ’ 'tax on distilled spirits. "Leopold ’Wlrtb, 'ono- of Iho' groat Indicted' In the “Cream ' City," who has done’ -some-’- effective .missionary work in that village, arrived in town Inst evening, and was quite consplcnous aronnd the Paclfla. What his business was here hedocllnod Ito state to Tub Tniounx reporter, who -essayed lo- Intervlcw him. However It Is altogether illkely that ho will conclusively prove tbo Darwinian theory by showing hllnKelfto bo the missing link. The two conspiracies having-been thus snow to have been connected; no objection' can Ho against dho admission of Conklin’s testimony, as Munn Is charged with having conspired with Jacob Kehm ct nl., and dlvors other persons to tho Grand Jury aforoJftld unknown: ” IN GENERAL. MILWAUKEE. TOR'JONAS 6ASE, UTiwaukbb, May 16.—1 n • tho conspiracy case ’tills morning, Leopold WlrthV reexamination was' resumed. Witness' understood Horace Elliott, who was referred to in yesterday’s tea* 'tlraony, Is a Clilcago detective; Rlridskopf said 1 to Elliott nnd'PlDkortoQ that .whatever Ci j ipcnScs there we rein getting fhewitnesaea weald, ’bo paid; didn’t Know* If ho paid’any money,’or Hf they were to roeclyo *anytiilrig.f6r their; time; ’they were to make out a bill for whatever their trouble and expenses would" bo; supposed it was their duty as Chicago .detectives to do work for Milwaukee parties-to the’ extent of obtaining evidence of the character of Chicago parties ;■ wanted to flud out tho charac ter and standing of‘Shipman* and Cohen, be cause they bad testified falsely as to witness and Ulndskopf. Mr. McKinney said bo had received a telegram desiring Wirth In the Munn:case in* Chicago, md applied, for permission for him to leave Court. ; Mr. Murphoy said Ifc desired ttio Alness de tained hero; ho'dldh’t know how soon or liow long ho might be wanted. ; Too Court said ho would make no order until noon; pet-bans counsel could* decide before the 1 o’clock tftun. Lours mtosttofp was awom.. Ho was a Jew;. Saturday .Is the Jewish Sabbath, on which they > do no labor; asked to bo excused attendance in court on account of its being the Sabbath: left here for Chicago Fri day and returned Saturday., Mr. McKinney objected to the line' of examina tion. ' . , The Court said very serious statements were made In court yesterday. Including .a proposition to prove witnesses for too prosecution guilty of. perjury and attempting to suborn witnesses, sad. contra charges, ard tho Court was Interested, in finding out all about it. Tho ’question would there fore bo allowed. : Witness then described TUB JOUBNBT TO CHICAGO, and the'places Ko called at to discover the character of Louis Cohen:, told tbo persons so called on; Cohen forraorly lived in Detroit and traveled fora Jcwplry hooso. •• • • . Hero there was a grelofnl diversion trora the mo notony into which the examination was falling. Mr. Murphey wanted to “flx r wltncld dn soma testimony ho had given the other dey 'as to bis In terview with Goldberg at the Tivoli to tho oucct that he had aeon araan sitting at a table near them, and witness asked Gohlboru who that man was, and witness could not be got by coaxing, threaten ing, or straight questions, togivo anything but a crooked answer, till the Court interfered, and compelled witness to be direct in his replies, when UB ACKNOWLBDOBD 118 DIDOD9BRVB A MAM fiITTDfO AT.TUB TAULB. • and could not deny his prorloos testimony on tne iqacstlon of whether he could recogiMae the man u ! now produced. Witness would not mtswor straight, ihut alter eouaeel and both slues and tho Court hid given him the benefit of their aid, ho admitted that he couldn't ji wear tho man was potLoals il.Cohen. * This'ended the txarfilnatifln of Louis. TBB QIIBAT UWKNOWW UlMaßtr. Louis U* Coben was recalled to, the stand by Mr. MurpUoy, bat at thl» point the Court. anUod Ur. Morphey whether bo should .want Louis Hlmukopt and Leopold Wirtb, aa they were inbpaoMd » Ctilcaeo, and this Oonrt desired to ncconuucHiao the Chicago Court. Finally on order wm made pormittiug Leopold WlrtU to leave, with bialiuc* tioua to return. , AVLCMiH. . . , Dr..Wrlghtwai examined aa to the Journey or Hlndskopf and WlrtU to Chicago, but was finally ottdted on tho ground of privilege, the men Mini, then «Uled to impeach the te»* llmouyof Colwu. Hocus, a resident of Chicago wr two years, and before that of Detroit “|cjj.■ * Knew Lonle M. Cohen by eightyn«* JTnSof Here a legal discussion oalo. tbo proper Hnoof ’quest lone to Impeach tlia witnega. ondlhe w ilae»' went off the aland ponding the decision of w Court rosins pnraLAcn, ft wholesale Jeweller of uhicacp.- wns hen wu employed bf Me firm three monUi*inl673l all witnOee bad mrelnat wa* he did pot UM and roatmurajhla only reaaou'for dU* charring him «u that Ue brought customer* whole credit wa not good! ■ ' John Jflttgorald, an ox-Oaagar, wu a worn. U'KiMKBT. 1 . 4fc- Before Mk ekamtnatlon McKinney oulUnod lM ohlectof calling him, .The. defenee ih>d chargee ) him (Mae)',with sending ItlndaUopf to Chicago to tlw counflcl to withdraw that - of withdrawing proceeded t building up a hlatory of the ettacka made on him, Undthewaiortlone of fact alnco lart auimncr. I Then followed-a gonorol dlscuialonon tnoiaw* ■ of evidence, amid which tho Court adjourned. MISCETaIJANI^bUS. CALirOkNJA. Bptdai DUjxUch to ThO IWbunn . • : WAlnritQtow, D. C., May 10.-Informations* Callfomla U to the, effect that the arfcnU «»• . Government In pnhhlng a dost active waf “B i the distillers In San Vrouclfw Tha wUuro of uvs distilleries a few days since jo thee* 'dtemsntthoroi and ■treuoooa eflorts sretu** 1 * by local ofllcen and dlstlUsre end such as they ore able to command to atop theJnresU|r» |c»lltoiala poUOd&ae, ind preferred AgaWjhel^ftetfiflifSSSiaeo; within a wy aluaJ Hu*

Other pages from this issue: