Newspaper of The New York Herald, December 19, 1861, Page 3

Newspaper of The New York Herald dated December 19, 1861 Page 3
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but any \cry eanguino ?*pe,<?nti0l|> aro damped not merely by tbu numerous Ind ,<.atWua duriug the past ?'* months of the determina',^,, lo proVoko a conflict, bat also t.y the symptoms t^m ,hc Vntted Slates ship-of-war recently at Southampton oentemplated a similar aggros Btou. It 18 hk.0 warn fa* rwj ihal even if a disposition tt mod, rato course sho^M j*?Vail at Wusblugtou the Mtul'i n ?n (.11 U tut-i t-ut rtf /ft, hauls of the government by the mob. The fining in thy, city la. that were it not forthm con 8id. ration it.':'u waild bu littlo reason to apprehend serious conr^,,,^.^ Although there has never been rnw',1 dovfbt as to tl.e views of Mr. Seward, it has be,,n believed for soma time past that an influ ential >'u,-ilun?H' tho Cabinet have been strongly opposed to the (Miliayvi attacking this-country, and It is certain thai ttn the w.x,actable iruditig classes in Now York and tho principal cities wero desir only of maintaining /nendly J'totjona. The bank oreut especially. who have jugt ant ascribed for JLUO took, the cliiel part ? f wbi't: still remains on Would miturrally v iew * .ill dinnuy the cle ,1011 that must instantly folio* the prospect of ,0. Another and Hill more v.duui'e ground of 1, , , .iuon to consist in the prompt. . I tit . uri'7 temp, rate exjirrssion of lyiinii rs m the part of the I'oiitiih pre**; and. although the Inttor circumstance u ti have no elfeet In mitigating any hostility of ton" that may be brought by tho in coming steamer, there can bo lithe doubt that it will have immense weight in tat nig an atjustnnut, so tuny as Ok. means if adjustment a re Itilt ofu a. Hie transactions in foreign stocks have been raiher nil merou-. and some Important fluctuations havo taken place. In the morning there was a general decline, but towards the close a recovery occurred. Mexican nflor touching 2frallied to 27 u !?. Brazilian live |ht cents wero negotiated at 100M a ?; four and a half par cents. 1852, tm. ditto lHfld, 021 j 11 Pi: Chilian four and a half per cent' .80*4 a 88: Kquador New Consolidated. ISVj; Mexican. 20 J4 a25.'? u 26,'4; for the account, 20,'j a 20 a % a 20 a 'j; New Grenada deferred, o\. lu the foreign exchanges this afternoon the rates were a Hhude higher. In tho di-a ount market to-day the demand has been moderate, and the rate for the best short pajier is 2,'j tier c ut On tlie Stock Exchange there is a good supply of ini tiey at 1 VJ per cent. Ti e prop uie>l shipments of saltpeter to America were H"| pel yesterdry afternoon, and to-day a gcueral order wi. rei ? ivi d at the Custom liouse prohibiting the expor tation of iln* article to airy country, except under cer tain stringent oonditiens. Tim price has in consequence become nominal, at 3Ss. The prohibition of shipments decs not at pn sent extend to nitrate of soda, of which sates havo been made at 13s. S>d. a Us. per cw t. A Suggestion?which, it may be feared, iH more inge nious than probable?lias been rai ed to the effect that the Captain of the Van Jacinto may bo in reality u .- ces t ionist, and that he accordingly strained liis orders with a view to render certain the ultimate success ol' the Southern cause. The .Win York paper r-hirh en jo1, 1/.. Iuit,t.st limitation lius lung been reputed to lie act, nig under a similar impulse in Its efliirts to drag tho ? ountry into a war Willi Great Britain; and it is also mowed 111 all the American oilvieos G.at -'treason" per vades every department ot the State. I'roin the Clii. f Judge of tho Suprcuio Court down to the lowest clerks it) the Treasury, tho po-t oil ces, and the custom buses. Even in Fort Sumter, according to tho last accounts, a trouble of this character threatened the safety of the place. "State mints aro made." it is said, "on excellent authority that there aro in that fortress two tlet.i olllcers, u major anil liuuionunt colonel of artillery, w ho aro tavorahlo to the rein I cause," and as the newspaper ? teem with sitnt lar,and even more serious u.vounts front other |iolnts, the surmise now broached with regard to Commander Wilkes is not without a certain degree of plausibility, 'flic New York writers recommend a wholesale shipment <f such 'traitorous olllcorx" to the Dry Turtugas, but the fact that such a proceeding would probably decimate the tcileral army and navy begot a the suspicion that a war with England may have been looked upon by the more reckless class of politicians as a more certain and less disagreeable means of cure. OPINION OK THE LONDON NKWE. I From i Ik- lzmhon New, (orgau "f Kxoter llall and tho abolitionists), November 30.) What will most striko an impartial observer or tu Kurdish people during the la-1 three days Is tho high qnubtvof self-command which has unqnestionftloy hi c exhibited. The news or the encounter between tin . an Janmo and tho Trent found most person- onpreparfld in point <>r information to onlerlain (lie dim< ohies whu h surround tho legal questions it raise.-. w f rmli ?i hoe much wo* intolfA m the tonreMion '*<(>0 r. nt j ,yhts to loth North .m,I South by ?" ?< mint ? Besides, therefore, the unpleasant inpe ? " ? is lileli the most warrantable or legal at t in der ga or our naval power must have pmduccl thei g ? Teclmg was exasperated by ubelust that the vislti , tho Trent bv a foreign ship or war was altog- therllkgaJ Hut however strong the natural lolling or oor iveople, Uiere has been nothing iiko self almndoment to blind ln?Pu'?c-J" the very heat of the Urst-exeitwrnont the where heard wus, what is the settled law ?^ It rntkh have been ex tied, considering the persisUncy wit whah some or our eonntrymon to irritate their comitrymen against the Noilhern Ntales of America, that any *vent taf?W?". couiiiiR tin occasion ol rupture between the two governments would have been extensive y wolconno.L But rmtlvng could be more ditferent than llic Tact, ine mu ,est Which all classes have suddenly taken uieonv nil x i. 'estions or International law 'prang f, ? in !?,,, to discover fiance tha> the American gnr.rn T't id net invaded th right, of thb country There is something very remarkable in this ")>?<*} n. ^ of a whole people, under the influence "I an exciting event, 'to refer the Justly ol .Lp to remote- and unfamiliar standards Roasou linip.c s'tiotialil)- tea. lies the great advantage of aubstUut Ui,. cvu?riu?l *,r Internal tents, wlu-revr this is , jd estitufttin^ the qualities of arts. And heroin lies th?? unsprakahlo value of a body of Internationa' law, tlxrd and harmonious in its principles, and developed in numcroiis precedents, that acts like fhoso of Captain WiUch may ho referred to an outward, objective, and In-torn ul standard, instead of being left to be acrituotsi ously disputed by sensitive litigants without hope or cbance of settlfiiM nt. But this artvautftge is not always appreciated ? ftti<l wc question whether, U Captain W ilkos had had tho miafortuno to stop a mail steamer ol a in igiib ?r?hg country, which it is the fashion in Now York to ( xtoi, the same reticence would have l?ocu observed by ""our frfcndij in the United States will now lie in ft posl lieu to understand that, whatover opinions t ie law o I) . er-oi tho British crown havo given, ami whntetor dc mi.nds may bo advanced in tint Queen s name, our govern ment ho* no- a' t'il under the preuure of m>utar etanua. Never was the mind of Knglund more thoroughly pos cil with a sense ot the duty of remaining at peace Willi the American people, if that bo possible. No desire is felt to ombarruso their government or take u (vantage of its domestic diffleulties. lint the rv. hts nf lh,t ma,'and will be maintain,,!. With u view to avoid die ,Missions needlessly irritating, to reduce the question t? . its simplest issue, and to enable the 1 uiled Mates govern ,unit to repair the error of its agents with a iiiiuimumoi oencei sion the objection taken to the seizure ol Mr. . liduH an!! Mr. Mason has been based upon the withdrawal of the entire proceeding from the review ol a prize court. /'h" Zw* unneceuary, thcr.jme, l? askwhetn,r th,* V*"W>* , ,t;re rebelt or enwys, whether th, ir dttfatehc* wer, a hand, or any other tubsidiary ijnesti " at, wit ingenuity may eixi/iy from'thr occurrence. It is enough to know, that nowmver an authorised tribunal might have decided on these matters, they are matters on whieh only_su< li a tnbunal a prize court?is competent, to give a binding derision. The art of raptnili Wilkes and Lieutenant fax . in seizing- passengers on hoard a British vessel aa i oarrving them oir In bis own ship, is. therein.e. a high handed usurpation, which i- neither wi?e. nor right, noi Ifa consistent advocacy of the federal cause, founded mi ft doep conviction of its rectitndo, ha. rariud nt any tittetc l heard in thefre* States of Xnrtk Amerwa,? afl.it rii'/rL i? thh crisis to m?k> the ndrr oj law pcmilmwr that vfraxxion. Whether t'aplun Wilkes acted without m sti iid iur.s or upon unwise instructions is now"l no eo i ?trouoncr. The wrong he eomniittod in inking tho two Omimissionors and not subjecting the ship totho junsdn lion ' r a prize court is undeniable, and vitiates the whole iirucei ding, "is mistake, if it snail prove to the I tided States government the men- of withdrawing I mm* pos ? lion untctiKble and full m danger to the peace ol hoili countries, may bo hailed us providential. thk city articlk. iFrom the l?udou News t.Uity Article), Nov. .>(). j nhe exuitemetit in (lie city with regard t . Up- threaten ed war witli America was uuabatod Ibis morning, and the giock markets we,, again tevcrr/y drj retted. The issue of a prohibiliin ag line I the export of saltpetre conlributvd to ?i!gravule the anxious leelitig geneta.ly ohsert able, the emirse ot the afternoon. however, there was a more ho ireful impression, owing to a rumor that the Atnoi u att Minister in London lias given our government assurance ,il a eharn-fcr which may h" eonsiih red s it; -factory ?s fur as ilmv go. A fjord effect uws tiki wise produmd Iv the trill.In atim of thr commentt oj the hi-ccli press upon the pro et ? dills el' the federal cruise)', and by the s-.11)1,1 ton.' of tym tml'in adopted towards t'fcfjtond. U is scarcely douhted that the government of France will act with ours in anv course of policy lliat may lie detorroiued hi 011. Olio of the t'onfedoiateCoinuiissiouors seized was ?, credited to Pans. Above all. tlieru is a teelingof "onfb dele e that our government w ill act with promptitude and firmness m this vruve matter, whilst the consideration of .lie bench* -ie.es of any attempt on tho part ol Lb- federal government to cope with the British force.- contributes to furl hi r stfi ngthen the hope of (jeaee. The pronn t d,, ision of the crown lawyers, (but t ie i course pursue lliy the American ship-ol-war is ,/ml ill'- ) aal ear nprviroi'fy vnerpe'tid on the Stork i.xchonqe, for it i ? . m rly owi psr&mt m t, \fte? w mero.wosci.ldems. a rally set in in the altemoon, iw.no to the rum >r of a disavowal by the American Am hass.idor, hut th< (Itial qnotatious wore sldlnearly per e?Bt below those of yesterday. In the other markots a consMlerat.le lallto k place in tbe a railv in ki6?rtcm-?cn, but nearly all kimi!* of sei urities left oil' lov er than yesierdfty. Anjcriean were I*rtieul?rly4epress?il. Tlic day altogether bM been ?'uS,n'i*?!S'Sui?. ?,<?? j kibited the" rxportatio.' of saltpetre, t.reat cvima, t bad prevailed m the market this truing, and mu ro s | parrel- on the and afloat wereijwrc haeed, partlym American account, and partly by siiectilators, at a for ?her ris!i ofls. s w, per .cwt On the announcement of ihe prohibition to exfort* reaction took place, and the advance quoted could .not b- obtained at the close. Th?rp was un roviva\ of denand in tho discount iv ~ ket The. nuarrel with Amtt'ca it likely to check b'd\ wjj, and cntcqvently In ' crtation of mercantile Ml'. In Lombard street to-day uiholce paper was taken at per cent. There wore fow\ transact ions at the Bank. OPINION OK THE MOJtNWO CHRONICLE. (From the LondonChronw/e, Nov. UO.) ' Thoro is not the slightest sifta of abaction in the public reeling with regard to the seizure of the American Com missioners en board the Trent. On OV contrary, those iournah which l*ficn by huaUxtiny jjjW Jhe quatioH, and affcctino to wait for on official vertum, yede.-day attempted fZlnp a strong,how ,/national feeling. T.'te only obsti nate sympathisers with the NortU.are those Vwho to em cloy the cun%t slat* of New York, would sic thla little islid under fifty fathoms or water heforo she sl^oaM bo allowed to uphold her rank among nations. Instead of being snscopttole or an apologetic explanation, thtfyact of th? amaitcau commander appears, tne more olosclV wo ?xumino It. to hat* been one cf ifHibtraU aogreuvn. Cifi Udmgthai tho boarding vt thefsteamer was legal .and gSU* Vjmi, iwjwtaf m sliot ami shall fired in lien of a blank cartridge, tb'j forci blu kidnapping of American ciltzeua under the 1*", uiitU l)?n Is al'juo a proceeding which the iutorn?l*'ouiil cod* of Etlrojie aul America coudenitis. l.tQe'icpant Fairfax Seized no despatches; even if ho had <tono so ho would probably have put himself ill a fuiM'position, because tin* Coiuunssiuuurb boro an ambassadorial character; but lie captured Individuals,for which there Is not a precedent in the history of civilized war, and not a JustHlcationin any recogiiizod authority upon the law of nations. Iho Southern Commissioners wore 011 board, either ill the simple capacity of uassengors, or in that ?f envoys ad credited from a belligerent to a neutral. In the latter case, they ought to hart been jnotecUsl by their uigli.iiuvic charac ter; in the. former, thry eonld not legally hare 6011 ar rested, unlets it had been proved that thy ranied with them documents hostile to (he government of the I nited Staler. No such proof was uttempted. The gentlemen might havo been uiero travellers, and yet thej would, uoverlltelotw, have been dragged by violence uu board the Sun Jacinto. Jtnt even hud these despatches been discovered in the Trent?even ir she hud I con carried into a prize onurt? man had she been condemned in strict form ot law?the personnl outrage lullicted upon tho four Commission ers would have bion piratical and atrocious. Had Ireland wiuatly rebelItvl, and Smith O'Brien teen escaping I" tin' ll'eet, or tarrying despatches to his countrymen at A' to.I'ark. wuUI an h'.nglifh man nf-war hare intero jibed him an the Atlantic.? Hut it is alleged that wo b.ivo recognized the Southern States us a liolii gorenl Power, tt.If wo h.i-.e, the Northhaa not; it perm-ls in denying that it is making war,and asseris that it is only suppressing rebellion. It cannot tukc ad vantage of two positions at onto. If the .Southerners are rebels, our Aug shelters them; if they are bolligeiuuts, their representatives accredited, and their despatches ad dressed to neutral ftatcg, must be dealt with according to the ordinary laws and usage-i of nations, which, In this instance, have been totally and 0th1 naively disre garded. In vain will the capitulation ftarty attempt to reconcile KngllFliraen to un indignity which not only wounds tic ir deepest feelings but threatens to striko ut their most Important interests. It must be remembered, too, that England lias hitherto put the mildest construction of public law upon tho proceedings of the Northern agents in this country; while tlie United Mates have notv carried beyond tho ut most limits known to the jurists of th.: Old and tho New World the astounding rights they claim. It is evident that forbearance ou our purl has already lasted too long, and iiuen too tempting to the spirit of American braggu doclo. Kvon a Colon c aid not bo arrested by force on the deck of a \ o.-m>! belonging to a friendly power. If lie be claimed, it Is by nu appeal to tlie proper authorities uu der the extradition law. We imagine, Indeed, that tho l.iw ofllcers of tho crown will state it us indubitable, that no nuin can bo taken by force Tram beneath the r.rithh flag, whether ou sea or 011 land. This, id em 1, ic tlm principle In which Englishmen have always believed, and there will bo an inglorious dc cay of our great name front the moment when we declare to tlio world, that, even for tlie protection of passengers in our ocean steamers the Union Jack is powerless. It is impossible, however, to imagine for an mstaut that I>>rd Palmurston's government will give way, and it is not easy to persuade ourselves that the American Cabinet will make a graceful retreat from a lalso position. The affair, no doubt, is a ter'a us embar rassment to Mi nit 1 s; but the ' inbar eassment would t.e a thousandfold eeiore serious if they venture to meet the House nj Common.' iri'hott' having } i'< tr.' tcd tin? honor tef tla coun ley. We are in little fear, indeed, iliat li e necessary re paration will not bo exacted, although it is quite eon 1 s,'stent w ilii tho present morals and circumstances of | (lie 1. ry faction that an opportunity should just now have boon selected for a leebie but malignant attack upon Earl Russell. It is not in tho hands of the liberal party that I tie lnnor or tlie into rests of this kingdom havo stiflei ed. If the Th rhyites lo re in office ire might reasonably ajijnchcntl disgrace, to our flag and destruction in our loads' The statesmen who truckled to Itussia are not those whom we should prefer to trust in vindicating ourselves against outrage in any part of the world. At ail events, the public as yet are undor no alarm; the only danger is lest a falso sentiment of gene rosity should mislead the nation. Come what may. that blockade of the- South must be? broken uy. The Washington uavy has h ug enough t oved about the commercial ports and unarmed anchorages of the cotton coast; it has utterly failed in establishing a practical surveillance of thut im mouse seaboard extending through nearly two thousand miles; it has established nothing more than a paper blockade, which the laws of Europe do not recognise; and it would be a great opportunity for a great minister to annihilate this colossal sham w hich, -ham as it is, affects so many millions of people ami cripples such vast hrauclkcs of Industry in the United Kingdom. The first necessity, houurec, is to obtain indemnity, instant and ample, fir the outrage e n the British flag on tempt the Trent. Other 'wise we shall have aided in setting up the doctrine of "contraband persons'"?an idea utterly repugnant, to all existing luwrs. W*? shall havo dono worse. Wo shall havo degraded ourselves; wo shall have made an exhibition of Imbecility and cowardice; and the end will be that, the peace we now think to purchase bv Ignominy will he far less secure than if it had been maintained upon the Arm and manly assertion of our incontcstible rights. THE CITY ARTICLE. [From the London Chronicle (.City At tide), Nov. 30.J The blood an<1 spiri1 of John Hull a/year in be Hunuughly oro hst'I iipin the subject of the American insutlio the hritish flag.unil uothlug bluu t of an immediate and ample apolo gy. witli the restoration of the gentlemen pissengetn vio lently taken from the Trent will satisfy ilie nation, unless it lie a declaration ol' war. One or ilie other they will have,and notHing 1ms will satisfy lh' in. Thin may ho tnken as a tine qua nun with the people. nor is this feeling an evanescent one. The calm resolution of gome will support the excited ay ilal ion of others. leieeery mejean tile efrele thif spirit has been enanifted to-day in a more unnii'takeablc degreethan before. Tito feeling of the mo ment has become stri ngtluiied into a llxetl resolution to either have u full anil immediate apology and satisfaction in the restoration of the Southern Commissioners, or else a war with the federal government, and the recognition of the Southern republic. Her Majesty's government, iti this critical emergency, hove not belied the hopes of the people. At the Cabinet council held this afternoon it is understood to have been decided tlint ail immediate demand will be made upon the federal government for an ample apology and restoration of thecommissloners, which, if refused, a declaration of war will bo issued, and il is reported that I he French government will Join England in the protest against go monstrous an illegality and outrage. There Is one idea luirtg mooted. anil w notice it in> rely foe Ilie purpiteof expiating it* aleeureKty ami fallacy?it is thai in the event of one declaring lcell against the. federal gn irnnir.nl a peace would at oiih be made bcticei u the two see Hon* of the t'nion, and that the South wnebl join the North against England. (damnum feme ought at oner to ilisjiel sin h a ridiculous illusion 11 is in defence of two of the leading politicians of the South that England would ho luduccd to undertako a war. and it Is not l.ke'y (hat under such cir cumstances the Southern Confederation waul' turn round and take sides with our enemies and hers. OPINION OK THE TELEGRAPH. [From the Loudon Telegraph (Is udon organ of Jeff. Davis). Nov. 30.] Are iho Northern Niates.ol America at war with us or not" The answer to tnut question will depend upon iho response made to Iho Just demands of her Majesty's go vernment. On the most delihorato examination of Iho fsels relating to lite recent attack upon lite royal mail steamer Trent, the doubts which scorn to stand in th way of decisive action have disappeared. The aggretti n is eg ao the,roughly illegal a character that il unio nits to an a I nf war\ and as such indubitably tho (,'noon's g vrrumcnl will treat it. It will lie admitted thai this view has not hcen taken up hastily or impatiently. For our ow n part, we do not regret tliul wu refrained from joining in the earlier impulsive ntl-runces upon this truly momentous subject. It was impossible riot to see that Iho occurrence, as it was llrsl reported, did ppesent eni barrassing ipicstious. The highest legal authorities that can be quoted on both sides of the Atlantic, Vattel or Wheaton, Stowoll or Kent, are cqunlly dis tinct in selling forth the right nf belligerents lo examine merchant vc.- -els in order to ascertain whether tlicy carry contraband of war, and it has generally hoenadmitlol that despatches arc in that category. And there was more than one stage to be passed before we could (nisi lively and finally pronounce an opinion that this part color incident would not come within iho rule laid down liy the autliorit ies. We have seen a right of free passage claimed for the Commissioners on the score that tiiey were diplo matic, envoys, hut we much doubt whether persons hear ing commissions from States not vet fully recognizee', and not received in a diplomatic character by the powers to which they aro accredited, could claim immunity on that principle. And even if Mr. Slideil and Mr. Mason had been invested with the full character of ambassadors, there might still have been doubts whether tlioy could not be legally Intercepted. We have already said that tho judgment it|ion tho question must turn upon the manner in w hieb the com mission of Captain Wilkes was executed, and we pointed out the fact that there were at least serious irregularities in that officer's proceedings. It appears that, in the earlier reports, those irregular it i< s were in no degree exaggerated, hut the reverse. The utmost delicacy and discretion might have been expected In hoarding the merchant shin of a country at peace with the Northern States; hut if the captors had desired to vitiate thpir most questionable enterprise by execntlbgtt in the very wor.-t manner, they could scarcely have selected moro ingenious interpretations of their onh-rs. . The vessel, lie it remembered, was not leaving | one of lb" blockaded l>orts or the Sou the: a States: it was on i's way from tho jx>rt of a country with which the Northern states are at pcaco to the port of | another country iti the same circumstances. There was nothing, therefore, to invest the ship with a hostile cha ructer. Admitting the right of a belligerent t? search ships even iti thecqien sea, it i.- obviously necessary that some grounds should be stated for the proceeding: "hut it would appear that id the present instance ( apt. Wilkes look no steps to lurnish < apt. Moir, the commander of Ilie "(earner Trent, with any information ii m the nature of the o(fence elwrged against Mr. Sffleil ami Mr. Ma-on, and their secretaries. He sim/dy demanded the surrender of those gentlemen. native* if tin 'Southern .States, inverted, ei* we have mid, yer/eenalty. with no Imslib character. It ha" barn held that despatches may he contra band of war; but it does not appear that Cnp uin ?Wilkes instituted any demand lor despatches. ] the visitation had resulted in the discovery of .itiyth.bg which the captors deemed contraband of war. thegiroper course would have been lo take the -hip to a pric l*>rt. in order that what was seized might lie duty adjudged forfeit by tho responsible authorities. Captain Wilkti* pursued no such course. There can be little doubt I hut these fatal incidents in the proceeding* ?' s'aptabi Wilkw.autl the offcers acting with him. are juore than suflict?it to establish tho total Illegality of tho geizure. Tuis vie* of tho lucts ntid of lltoir legal hear ing was no doubt submitted to iho Cabinet Council yes terday. We lire now in a pup.'tion, therefore, to speak without be ii.uh u or mistruaf. Tlte otttragc is Uivcstad of *11, obscurity. It i* oxpoftfed in i's true character. It it an infill' arid an injuiy-an intuit rtnetioutly aggra ra'eil by Ihe. reckless %uiid P",rbearing manner in which the commission ft/ Cupt. Wilkes teas ere ceeteV; 'in injury the eltfl*r from the wanton n ss <f lh- assault, and the la,'"! absence of anu effort to ireir. the fr'Hugs of an i ver- crupiclo'i* ally. F ir there can a. a . (Lot tlin fiirtinnrutiiiA i\ ^ IhlR POlintTV Irttl'QTilQ he no doubt that tho forbearutico o.r this country towarda the goiornntcut acting for the Northern (State* of the late , f . .... I A. Wa l.n wn Uujou oas beea l?usoea 10 an excess. unvi- luiuratou thdJptemiption of an important trado, although it not 0Ulv jniiictvd a serious loss upon the country st la;ge, and fybvfwtt m vJim cI ??l, seat misery, stern and sharp, into many English homes among tho humbler ranks. Wo have, thereforo, bad to bear tbo consequences of tlio frutricidal Auiei ioau war iu our owu flesh and blood. At tho outsat, the sympathy was strung with tbo North?partly because tho commuulr.itions with tho commercial cities of that quarter have heeu more frequent, tmd partly because this country has confessedly shared tho anti-slavery seotltuont. We are always anxious to show tho utmost indulgence to any government <U facto. A sense, probably, of past disputes mado us the nioro careful to preserve unscrupulous impartiality, and, we repeat, that uoturality has boon maintained at the cost of the greatest sacrifices. This punctilious forhearauce. this overstrained conalderatencss hat been repaid by an ituwil at wanton as it is a whit iousfand to n.Tmil would be to in CttaMtke injur ,? hit our nam Mt. since ilioottW humiliate us before all Ike nations of the earth. Thoee v horn wo have spat od in tho days of trouble insult us by making war up. >u us, for the aitycession is a jMsitireart of tear, uritkout e' en the. form of a precious declamti n. Tlio deck of tbo gttglish vessel was, as we said tie- other day,British territory; and tiiefurctblo seizure of the passengers on board tho Trent was as much a belligerent proceeding as if a parly of Northern soldiers had levied wur upou any of our guest* peaceably residing in Liverpool or Westminst'T. It is a violation which imposes upon this country tlio duly of vindicating the international law for the sake of civilization; and, however euorgctic may lie the resolves of ministers, they will be sustained by the country us by one man. A- to tlie precise form in which reparation i an he demanded, and the mode in which tho <l< mand may bo the most suitably pressed, those are questions for the re sponsible gov eminent to consider. '1 lie council which as svuibled yesterday remained in deliberation for sumo hours, and then separated only to reassemble to-day. There ian, however, lie no doubt as (o tho result; the dtmaiul for r juration will be made in Ike most direct u/iU uiuqiticocal hems. OPINION OF THK LONDON OLOBK. [From thel.ondon Olobe (sotni -official organ),Nov. 20.) The decision of tho law officers of ike crown lias not been long waited for in ttie cu?a of tlio seizure of tbo four Soulhoru gentlemen on board the Trent steamer. It has not been thought proper to base that decision on broader grounds Hum sufficed to sustain a judgment on tho vies lent proceeding committed by tlie oflicers of the Sin Jacinto. That procc ding has now boon declared by tho legal advisors of her Majesty "a government contrary to interna! tonal law. without going into the farther question upon wlueh lliey wore not called to give an opinion? v li.it might liav e been the decision of a regularly constt tut d court as to the circumstance* under which Messrs. Slldoll and Mason had taken their passage to this country. It is enough to declare that f'omtnandor Wilkes and I.ieut. Fairfax cannot lie recognised as judges of am such oourt, or permitted to usurp their functions. The citizens of tile Northern Mnles may, if they choose, oonsider that the function of Commander-In thief of their forces by sen and land carries witli it, as of course, the right of suspending the liberties of the citizens, and setting at defiance tie decisions or the tribunals of tho United Slates. Hoi Has Country recognizes no ertra legal powers of an r; nl-tl it judiciary against the subjects of Iht Briliih em/ie . or on armed royafteri under the British Jlafl. If the officer* of the San Jacinto supposed themselves entitled to stop the m .il steamer Trent, as carrying contraband of .hi ' i lew ever forced ttie construction by whl< li the term could be twisted into application to that ? i soiis of four civilians). their duty was to take h?r into some port, where tho case could )m tried. We yesterday indicated that alternative to the proceeding actually adopted; end it is now understood that it is ti; on tliis point?this tut. imj ef th' law into their man hands, ow( iital. ingihentseltfs at nine judge* mid i xecntioncrs?I hot dt ei .-ion has kirn flit-en 11/ the low officers of the crown against the forcible remoral of the fbUf p-tssengen in question from in board the Trent, as contrary to the law if notions. The uultonul pride of ihe jieople of the United Stnti s Cannot Justly Indispose theni to satisfy any demand w liich may bo ma le by her Majesty's government for full and ample reparation in tliis matter, seeing that there is 11 precisely parallel rase in rirortl. in whith Ihe, British gtnvmmint satisfied a like demand fnm that ? f th- I nitei Stales. In Ilie case of the seizure of lour deserters from tho British navy on board the United States frigate Chesapeake, by the raptaiu of the Rritishsliip Leopard, in ISO", "us an atonement for the unwarrantable act of Captain Humphries (we quote a historian of tho United States contemporary with the events narrated. Ha in say 1 Mr. Foster (then British Min ister at Washington! presented to tho United States the 1 Xjii' it di/arowal of il by liis HriUmie Majesty; nod offered the restoration of such of the men who hail bet n taken from the Chesapeake, at stircioed, and an adequate juruniaey ; re. ciston for the sufferers in consequence of theattark including the families of those who Miifniianat It/ fell in the affair, end likeirist of the wounded survivor*. Ttiese terms'were ac cepted by the President" (Madison). Happily the present case is not uggrivated as it easily might liave been?could tlie Trent have liecn put in any posture of defence?by bloodshed. But the main fact that a forcible seizure of intrsons had Men male on board a neutral vessel, under circumstances which rendered it a violation ef international law, is the same in both cases. The British government. in the ear lier case above cited, regarded full reparation lor the act of its officer as la UO manner inconsistent with national dignity, and was especially moved thereto by tin desire to avoid a second American war, which it *0 happened that President Madison's gov eminent had a desire to pre cipilate?or, as the American historian Ramsay naively phrases it, "tlio eouncils of tho nation" could not "delay longer ttie selection of its enemy." Tho democratic gov ernmoiit deliberately Selected England an its oneiny, though England was unquestionably the one of lite two European belligerents that shownil sjncoro dn-ire torn pair Injuries and relax restrictions. A\o rcrnr to the then prevailing lumper in tho Inderal government and it-' party, because its prevalence at that epoch must render all the morn evident that the reparation for a maritime out rage which it was constrained to accept as satisfactory from tho British government must have been fully as ample as that which iln> British government can uow have to demand. There ran be noquestlon ot hohiliia lion to national pride in the one e iso more tli ul the other. Apart, however, from illegal violence of procedure, wo conceive that, on hniadcr grounds, the rights of neutrals require protect ion from this novel practice of |o, king lor unarmed enemies in Iheir vessels. By the very fart that we are neuti al, we claim tin eight In eitfltixiV /?vr ? Thi rela tion ? with loth / ftrties; (tilt/ i( t.t out business to mob, one lit/lit* an neutral nnt lew rr-iteetcl thin those ox . umetlby Mligtrrnt*. Besides, as wo remarked yesterday, It is passing strange that the party who refuse explicit recognition of the fact of war, should he the party who strain to the uttermost the rights of belligerents, it the federalists still regard their enemies as no bettor (liuti reb ds, and still propose In themselves the pleasure of hanging their privateers ia proceeding which to day '? despatches report would he straightway retaliated on i he pe-soits of Tnited Stales' nfllcors), with what eolot of right can they hoard our stenmors to look for persons there who, by their own showingi a-e net in vet ted with thatcbuiactor, or with those credentials, which could alone furnish any plausible ground for placing them under the same category with what is commonly understood as contraband of war? if they are rebels and pirates, what belligerent rights against them can existThere it the right, wo doubt. of running them down, mitt hanging them up, i< h>u i ? r they run '*? caught fatten inp their nccuj.nlian of rebellion or piracy Y But in our packet s they are acting no other part than that of peaceful pas sengers; wo tire not attempting to carry litem from one blockaded porl to nnothnr neither are we transporting amis,or munitions,or other contraband of war. With what color of right then can our mail packets he hoarded, to look, forsooth, for per-ons who have no public cltarae tor, according to those who adopt this anomalous pro endure?and who, according to us, have simply Hie character of neutral friends, whom we bare just as good u right, on any principle of public law. to carry on board our v essels as we have to carry their opponents, with whom we desire equally to remain friends?if they will pit us? oriviON or the British abmv gazette. [Front the Loudon Army and Navy Gazette, Kuv 30.] some of the morning papers of yesterday indicate that a demand is about to he mode upon the federal govern ment for tho restoration of the Confoderato envois and an ap'logy, and ill the event of lis not being complied with that war shall ho declared. That some such course will he pursued is indeed most probable; tail that it /cut Is-, a usolved on is nut the put. ,Still mure premature are the reports Vying aloul of 10,000 men bring ant,rut to Co no'In. with the Ft. Lawrence frozen over, such a step Is simply impossible, althougu, in Hie event of hostilities, or an apprehension of hostilities, it should be one nf our llrst consideration." to sermo our Canadian frontier, hi tho face <>f the threatening tone of the American go vernment. it b-.s, we coin ss, always surprised cstbat our ministry abandoned the dutermlnat ion to which it had come, to send out a second brigade to Canada thi^autunm. There was no doubt a sad scarclly of transports at the time, hut it could have been done?and as it turns out it were better it had been done?for the one point in our position which may deter our statesmen from speak lug boldly, the one element of .apprehension with which we should enter on a contest, Is at present the weak con d it Ion of oar principal dependency in North Ament a. However, we, may ran/fritnlate. oursetves mpon hat ing the tit. tins nf vent "on terminating nay rnntert !?> which this off' rage on our flag may g ire. rife. We have it thoroughly ef ficient array, numbers of the ltneet ships In (lie world, and the whole public mind devoted to tho vindication of the honor of the old country. As war Ionics nt this mo i.tent nmre probable than pence, it is some consolation to know that we arc not nnp rcpnred. OI'INIOVH or A I.ONPON SI'NDAY JOURNAL. [From ihe London (Sunday) Times?organ of the r.idicalB and sporting men?Dpi-, 1.] ('nptam Wi'kc, is, unfortunate!?, hot too faithful a type of Iho |tcople tn whose foul mission ho is crtgagod. 11" is au iilcal Yankee. Swirgr, and ferotUy built up tax a foundation of vulgarity aial cirwortlitx?lUriBe are his-rha ract eristics; ami Ibeso are the mart prominent i/iart.s by which his ftixinlrymrn, pent rally tptakiiity. arc Itntmv all t.tsr the writ! 1o bully the iceaJc; to triumph sver Ihe hdplius; fotrmmfe en every law ?f courtesy and ><? am; irilfully to violate all the more sat red institu te of human nature; to defy as I ones as datiper does net appear; and nt soon as real peril slums itself, to no ok aside or run away? these ?re the virtues of the race which presumes to an liounce itself us the leador of civilization and the prophet of human progress in these letter days) By Cupt. Wilkes let the Yankee breed he judged! Captain Wilkes did not (troctcd in this matter on his own re?|*>n?ihility. Ho acted (n the name of tho federal government. The whole aubiect must he viewed In the liyh' this fact. Mr. I.xacoln it directly am-nalle to us for this scandalous am! mdrugeotu /irnrocatu n. tte must be called to account/or U. We are in no hurry to go to war with America ; wo would intlnitoly rather let her alone, and leave her t>> her fate. But conduct like this cannot he tolerated. The forbearance of Great Britain has often been sorely taxed ; it has now been ruthlessly chased from the national heart. It would, under present clynmslat.ces, be a crime. The empire that will not vindicate it? ow n self-respect must soon jterisli. We perceive that the twaddlers and sitnperers are already beginning their ignominious work. The advocates o! pence at any price are resorting to the whimpers hy which they strivo to convert their opponent? when rea son and instinct ;are obviously and irresistibly against them. They proceed to talk about deeds of vlolencetom mitled by (englishmen t:i year* gone by. They plead the momentous interests which hang apon the question of peaccor war with federal America", they preach snivel ige and the sinfulness ling sJvttfl?? on the iniquity of revenge i of self-will. ?ome of them even try to prove that America was right, and that England is wrong, i'ut this drivelling philosophy, this efffcminafc and coriiunptiye piety, is out of date and out of plaoe. We are w so mfrt for such

MtihbifieyWfm riwSL ft been Insulted; and we hive but otio cry:?ftrjaration or ekasHpnumtl It is not for ns to dklain tlie courne which her Majes ty's advisers will sco it their duty at the present moment to pursue; but of ono thing we are quite oertnln, the Minister who will tamely submit to such stt outrage as that which has been cast upon us will soou ho hurled from olllco by the Indignation of a people unanimous and resolved. Lord l'a'mersion has the charade of being a patriot, wedded to the honor and Integrity of our national renown. Let him now vindicate his reputation, or for e ver hide his head. At such u time as this party dis tinctions fade away, ami personal prejudices are forgot ten. We ask not whether our government Is wliigor fry?liberal or conservative. We ask but one uqestlou? Is it hngh<h 9 If not, the sooner U is driven (Wm power lite bettor. If it is, then will the violated Hag of Eug'ond soon ns.-ert Its supremacy. Away with all foolish chat ter; wo have but one duly, and that duty ts the vindica tion oi our insulted dignity, and tho assertion ef our power so rudely desecrated and so insanely detied. ENGLAND'S l'REI'AKATIONri FOB WAB, THE DJUTISH NOKTH AMERICAN FLEET AND ITS KF.IN PORCKMKKTft. [From tiio louden Star. November 3ft.] It npp ars that tho actual forcenowunder the command of Vice Admiral Sir Alexander Milne, K. C. H.. ou the North American and West India station, consists of twenty-she ships, carrying 600 gnus and O.lu- men, tho total horse power being H.'iflO, and the tonnagobeing 87 569 tons. Hesidi s those there are live receiving hulks and ships, four eauvlct ships, a harbor and u sheer ves sel. There are on passage six ships, bearing 831 guns, and having li,31T men, tho tonnage being 16,633. uud the horso pow or 3,450. VOLUNTEERING FOB THK RRJTISll NAVY. (North Shields (Nov. 30i correspondence of London Ship ping Gazette.) The Tyne Naval lb servo itioti have voluntarily otTbred their sue vices to tho government to resent the American outrage. There are between twelve and fourteen hun dred up n on the bucks. THE RKSFRVH OF Mil: Kit 10AT* PRESIDENT OFFER. |From tho Loudon Telegraph, Nov. 30.) The following document was drawn up yesterday on board tho President, and signed by all the men of the naval reserve in that ship. It Is n'ndt r-tood that i simi lar expression of feeling is about to emanate from the naval volunteers at our principal outp uts-? To ('apt. l Acv.Jt. N.,her Majesty's ship President, f'ny Canal:? Fir?Having heard that our dug lias been gros-ly In suited by ftti Anioriean ship of war. and people who cluiBied its protection forcibly taken front It and made prisoners, \vc write this to lot you know that wo are ready to I'ulili our eugugcnicnt and protect the honor of our llap, our good Quoeu and country, whenever mil. i upon to do so. Were pectfuily request you will make this, our detorminaticn known in tho proper quarter. [Signed on behalf <>t the volunteer reservo < n board the President.) war RISK INSl'RANCE ON NAVAL NEt'TRALS. [From tie Loudon News (City Article), Nov. 30.[ IhiHiTiess continue- lobe transacted at Lloyd's in war risks ou Rrltiahaud oouiral ships, owing to the dispute with An.erica, "n vessels to India the rale i< U per ? ent. and on ihiiie irim ti e same country to 2 pci ..-tit, nr. ordit g to tho date of departure. Ships on the evi oi ailing hence for China aud Australia, ami others whhh have left, have hi eu dune at JJ per coat. THE REBEL SHIPPING IN ENGLAND INSl'ltED. (From the Liverpool Times, Nov 30.| Several hu ge steamers, equtpplng in the Thames and at Glasgow for Now Orleans, hnve been insured at two or throe of the marine insurance coni|?uinK at the usual latcs, u itli un additional premium ol' twenty llvoguiuuas. PEELING IV Tin: MANUFACTURING PIS TRK TS OF ENGLAND. PERIODS FEAR OF THE WAR IN LIVERPOOL. [Liverpool (Nov. 29) eorres|Kuideuio of the Ixind- n IV. (.1 This rxciUug topi. (war with the United States) r-t lit mi'roiWH univerMl attention hore. Business ha. /<?? brought almost to a stand still Nothing chic js Uilhcd of cither on Change, or In other places of public report, 'ihe authoritativeniinonnei mcnt in the Morning fust,that thegovernment law officers had decided that the action of the federals win uniustillable, exerted mingled leelingx of a ui. faction anil apprehension. In the tirst phct |u.h lie 0| Id ion had gen-rally settled down to the hollef that the precmdillgs 01 the t'nited Stales officers. how en r mi>rt(fi/iiit) to our 0" 'iona! pride, tc- -M /.found to l.e legally jnetifutile, and tin rem lion iniuequcntuiejiithe ileritii >; of l!to gor. i nun lit lull.'it'rs tins naturally ra y ? frail, (if ci ur.<e t-vii'. m- the dread ot nxtc. with Am, rial is oaten liitod tr or, if- th< gr ideM untidy in l.,r-1 /?.?,/. Already thcdistmbuuc m in the Stuter have had a inc.,t#dna.-lroop CItbc.t npoll ev- ry hrr.in h of Qur trade. Since the tart conflict with the United State* Liverpool has art Immensely In creased in Aer ecnimereiaJ ri latitats with Ani'two thai tl is liiJfUift to i-i nji -lure triad would b* the cotieegui.nce of a rii) lurt n nr lint only to th* inholituv' of th- i/rculed seaport in the wmld, t-nt also to the mantr/itclu dog dis tricts. if which it is itt wee the month and nutlet SUll, iii spile of the great apprehensions ol tlto mercantile and lrailing community. there is in many quarter* great rat is I'll el i n expressed that a termination i a< nst arrived at. to ihe eeri--* of ann- vano s end vexatlors which wo have for mo many years endured at the band* of oar Ame rle.rn brethren. A fooling of security >? engendered by the knowledge that Kugland was nev- r hetu-r prepuied to go t-> war than sin-is at present, while the Americans, pi rhaps. w> re hiver in u lorse potritv a to meet an enemy alt powerful at sea and United at bono . later in the dayman lnipreaalon gained ground that writes iliu British remount rimer* worn reecivod hy Mr. laneoln i i aldnet an ample explanation and apology would he alio tided. The sales of cotton in Liverpool yesterday were only 1.000 hales, /ft- smallest amount hiursem fin a anar'.T of it itnlura. TH* IMPRK-'fllON IN MAKCHBSTKB. iMniK'hi' ter iNov. 30) corresisindeiiee of London Post.) bo-day whi* market day. lint nothing wax done on 111*1 lire what", or. save an inlereliiingo of opinion.- on the Anr-rlcata question. The prevailing opinion?in foeI, '?verybodyV opinion? seemed to bo that tin-derision of iho law "llicers of the crown war tinder the clrcnm stances. tin1 only one m which tlicy could arrive. Husl ness on the Stock K.xi hange opened at 1 per cent lower for all kinds of stock: hut the closing pries ivcre hotter, and fnti< h business was done. [Prom the Manchester Kxninliier. Nov. 30.J How far Messrs. Slldoll atn! Mason nmswered to tin de script Ion of contraband of vwir is, an we have altown, n complex question, The reply depends, flrst. en the ap tdfcrit inn which lawfully belongs to ru'e- more compro In naive then this special instance; as, for example, whflhei ''<? t iih <t/!jiliraLI> lollw. amhiftaelor* of a belliy. rent who it a'?i> n remguitetl tw euderof the family of nu li us. applies al oh.a mere IxUigi rent wi.o lull 11 (A yd firm ailmilMlu tha' footing. The replv depends partly u so on facts wlile! il may htf c ntended arc not officially known,nr only partially aqcorlaiiied, as, for example, whether Messrs. tilidell and .Mason arc to he regard, d ? private persons or as pulilie envoys. On those points, which are essential to the main issue, we bekeveth' law ofllccrs nfthe crown ham pin n no opinion wliaterer. Thei deck- ion i ? condemnatory of the ct ndui to!' the com mander ofthe San .fuciti to, i* h.ised entirely on Iho In formnllty of his proceoditiKS. Instead of seizing Mcs-rs. MWoii and f'lid'dl lie onaht to have captnrod the vfsoI and i.-iuen her hcldrc a prize court in the I'nited dtat'-s. Tho afuiir would then have been judicially investigated, witnet i s examined, advocates-heard on bit'i sides. the rules of intertlalieniu law which are applicahlo to the Irate action would liavo boon authoritatively expounded, and the vessel have either been condemned or restored in due i ourse of law. T ' the ccmmander of tb" San Jacinto was substantially right, he was. It is nrgnotl, technically wrong. He took the law Into hl? own hands, instead of currying the nopts* delicti into the proper court, and abiding by the result. This constitutes what v.?? should call lu criminal matters a flaw in the Indictment, and so tho whole process Is upset: bllt this is i: I;/ different from denying Hint any nffrnre? had be it cennmiltrel I y the raj tain of till" Trent, or from asserting that Ho' procmling*nf the Anwrieart mart have been, from first to hi:.1, without warranto or justification. It it; lily lily Itnputant that we should tli!,S examine the grounds en which the legal ojilniott ha been given, because they alone determine i's true scope and charac ter. Tie..- tested, wu sue thut It amounts simply to this:? Then- was no vrt'iHfr suiting Merer*. SI I'III I n ti'l If t," e. unlets they rouUt i r regarded uspublic enrope of the enemy and, therefore, mntmtand of war; hut if they could t> regarded .a this light, thin the carrying r.f than in rot ml cert.ill peril ? onteynrncrf tn tl.e m inter of'the ves ?}. rod the novel itself hoiilil hare been rapture"!. The Am rieun commander dnl not go far enongli. Instead of allowing Ih'' mail steamer to pursue her voyage, he ought to have taken her to some t oiled states port and put In.r on Mul, Had ho dono so we should have been deprived of our only ground ol complaint, though the real hardship to the captain and crew would have been far greater. Nor n it likely that the vessel would have escaped confiscation, had she been made to and q.M a regular trial. Il is not do llied that despatches from the Southern government were on board, and that tact would have been conclusive against her. All this would have been strictly legal, but we question toheiher the excitement in England would hove ban a' all I .'fried by that eon id-ration. Iho mere foot that British mall steamer had been captured and carried oil'to a United States iiort, there to he trie i by an Ameri can Court of t.dmiraliy, would net have hornless galling to our sensitiveness than Urn seizure of the commission era. Hence, as wise men. we have to separate as well as we can from the mass of oi.r indignation nil that which would have been excited just the same fTt- the strictly I: gal procedure of capturing the vessel, and when we have don" this there will ho littln left. All we hare a right to complain of i thai llw A oieriean "in.minder exertitd his leftieirr. at III in an Lif.i vuxl way. thereby depriving ns of the legai remedy which we might have had in tli" American Court of Admiralty. Admitting that this informality constitutes a real griev ance, and that wo are justified thereupon iu requiring an apology from the American government, the offence is not tie ouh-eo-ous at to inspire ns with ic'i-m-nt amino ill/, or to induce usto still.eon an angry alienation the tremendous issue* of pent or war. It yet remains tube seen whether tho ccmmander of the San Jacinto, in capturing the Southern cotnm.ssioiiers acted under the express orders of his government, and, if not, wln-ther or to what extent Mr. Seward will adopt and dctotid his proceedings. To suppose that the Amer can government ran lie actuated by any desire Pr pick a quar rel with us is to impute to them the wildest folly. It is to assume that thov are downright madmen, livery rational hypothesis would lead us to coucluds that Mr. .Seward is anxious to stave off at any cost a contest with this country. He must know how futile it is to imagino that by a war with Kcglaud lie can restore the Union hetwreu'tbc North and the J*outb, especially if that war were undertaken by us in defence of the rights of southern citizens under our Dig. He must be aware that the blockade of the Southern ports would be over as soon as tlm first cannon shot was fired, and that one of the first acts of reprisal on the part of the British govern ment would be tho recognition of the Confederate states. We believe tho law officers of tho Crown have already expressed their opinion tnat if tho La Plata had been searched and captured, the proceeding would have been entirely legal. PuttiDg all thrta considerations together we believe that we shall find abundant reasons for acting with dignity and moderation. The situation of the United States will make il patent to ait the world that a conciliatory course on oftr part does not and cannot spring from fear. It is the pri | yilege of tho strong to be magnanimous and even Utaft* ufaiW qrtn' inter- its a if at Stake. Our m-nrcasUile position will not p'emtt i i indulge in the lurnry offsrerietess politics. It it quite certain, moreover, that theyiwcrnmerU Which may begin a war with the I'nitrd States will not be permitted to etui it. The reini if /muter wilt siieedityfall into other hand*, the tile nil party will be crnshtxi and cripjiteil for peart to none. and a lory administration will once <mee more ride rough sliml on r all matters if domestic and foreign /mlicy. Wo usk fof in) prejudging of questions which have uot yot arisen: wo abjure the character of advocates for any rearm or any cause wlili h is not lilenttcal with the welfare of the coun try. All we desire to room mend is the twrcise of a calm an t thoughtful tem/ier, the charity of Christians, and the wisdom of far string mm. VOICE OP THE SHEPP1KI.T) HARDWARE MEN IN SUP PORT OP OCR ACTION. J | Prom the Shot Held Telegraph, Not. t>9. Tbs indignation meetings hold en 'Change at I.iverpool and I/ iidon aptly express what, at the tlrn Much, must he every Englishman's feeling at the violent seizure of the Confederate Commissioners by order of the federal government. The RngHsh flay seems to us all to bo clothed with almost a sacred character. We remember wiili prldo In w often it has been mod to protect tlm po litlcal refugees Of nearly every nation. We know that htthertoft has never boon Invoked In vain by tlto unfor tunate and oppressed who could gain the shelter of its folds. And wo all feel (lint it devolves upon us us a saered trust to maintain the respect which of old lias always liecu paid to that'flag, and to obtain prompt reparation for any Insnlt which may he ottered it. These, we say, arc the first feelings of every Englishman worthy the name. If this question is to be a reined a1 all. the right of the federals ,/ ,y, i search lln Tun' in ?. I tic conceited. Hut then a more difficult question arises?had they any right to capture the Confederate Commissioners? rw, if these gentlemen werr"n ntraband of war." The paint, then, is narrowed to th- issue?to re they <?nntrahand of wary Mili tary persons and military despatches conveyed In a neu tral vet rl are clearly within this category, awl lord Sir U'i II laid it down that it muttered m thiiqi whether the master of the nru'utt res. el was unaware that any sm It />? rsonsorde ipatch-s tc ,v mi board. Thrro is no express case in which It has neon held that ambassadors of one belllg 'rent, pro ceeding with their despatches in a neutral vessel ton neu tral country, arc also contraband of war, ltd w -Mitre that there is a dictum of T.ord Stowetl's on record to this effect. Moreover, the rare which hit lordship was considering was that of ambassadors of a belligerent State duly recognized by some neutral Nt ate to which ho was Journeying, and the case is much stronger in favor qf the "contrabaml" theory when, as vr knew-, M-tsrs, Slid II and Mason are unr-cnqtiiced diplomatically l-y every gov mmmt in Eiim/v. 'fltcy were, however, nc credited agents of the Confederates, and as r e t liable, to a net ire, Io sei:uri by a bell iy'i'i id Power on boaril if any strut nil vessel in whirh I hey might te found. The fact is thai th" harsh decisions of our own courts, framed with au exclusive vie# to our own maritime supremacy, arc now brought upJu judgment nguinst us. We have sown the wind and ure reaping the whirlwind. The impolicy (if this step on the part of tlie federals is unquc tinnablo, for it will go far to destroy any sympathy for tho North in tills country Its Strict l-gnlity,h io*re can hardly he questioned; and this it would be childish in Euglishmiit to deny. TIIB Ol.OTH MINI PAMPRKRS OK l.hhbS IN A I'ASSION. [1'i om Hip I n 'da Mercury, Vov. lilt l li reipdroa on argument i<? allow ihat if, in this m dtcr of Mm Tirol steamer, Mm Americans have a I i.ul jusiill cation ol their oonduct, we m ist picket Mm insult, nnd content ourselves with Mi hurrefl -.iii.j,in tinn of reflect ing ill i Ho li lip Ha iJ \ outraged, Mi - outrugo was in rii tel. 10 in of loo . |iiguii> unit muilbwss, while tlmy touch i s to acorn am U u mode of cluunu g our rights, for likl 118 to coin)>laiii, or to withhold saUsliiclloii. if those tights aro rig.diy exueted by others. Wo will withhold nothing not oven thn |iomi<t of (Inch, If *'lt In no nomi nated in tho bond." But wn confer': wo nro yet uncon vinced el the lad thut il is -o ie initial'd in Mm bond, IIV nr. alah f* to unh aland any p.iniijUc of interna t inn a I In in on I'.lii li1 in h r < i:ure an thn' made tut the f rii'r I States goreiununtljan he sutlaineil. IVo fully u imiI, indued, the right of the Americans to if ul w illi us us a belligerent may dnul with a ucutrsl nation. IIV have, rcrognieei the South n.i hr.'liijeicuts, anil of arte thin in mice* a r oetnUion of the, X th in the ??ami eharnet' r, ami ware qui1! willing to itbitle. hit tin ri.iutiueuc.tt. Olio of those cotiHequoi.ocM is ihe riclu of Mm Americans to search our merchant ves sels?of course, including our mail steamers. ? ? ? ? Hut, admitting Mutt Mm American vessel hut u right to stop and Search tho English mail 'learner, wo arc at a loss to see on what pr< text it could carry off tho Southern CouimifslonciH and their Scci-etaries. ? a ? Snp |) slhg we arc wrong in our vi-w of the law, we must, of course ,'ubmlt. The pound of flash shall be paid In th" lull Hut let the Americans took tho cansoipicncrs fairly In fa furs, shylock would never have been much li ? loved even If the doctors of the law had raised no hn pedin etd to his proceed I ug with the exaction of his pen alty Is it well for America to wound English feeling in its most aonaitivo point?to wound Eugltflh pride ? n the very mutter on which English pride will he must gulled-to outrage English lienor, and to defy l ngli h resentment?at at tho very crlsr of her own fate? Ilis her sureess In the war li en so very ennritoto (hit she can afford to raise up for herself unwilling enemies, and for tho South unwilling allies? What cud dors she propose to answer hy an as s rti< ti of her r glits-?supposing they are rights?In such a way us to make hersoli a public nuisance? Is she not availing herself of English vessels every week ? Is not England aiding her resources by her trade? In not Knoll wl ilulir.iilu a'silling tor cause hit rtijuy'.itig the I hn kcnle of the South ? Poes she wish to force us, in suite of ourselves, to take up a hostile position ? Mors she w.sh to drive us, in shoe' noes sslty, to enter Into hos tilities agiiinsi herself.nnd to break tho B nit hern block, nde i Jti/i.t fht wi h Jf . Yan -ey. hitherto an unrecognised American gnithman irti frnl in F.omltn, to to'.e the flare ft fit. JamcY i.oie occupied bit Mr. Ada to f In n single word, does fho want a war more terrible than tin struggle on llic I'otemac, :?n <' halt leu more bloody than than lhat of Manassas? If n V, why this seus< I -> outrage mi our feelings', and >n Me ordinary dec -nelcs of nn tioual nitercours ?? She must have known that Mr. Pll dell and Mr. llusnn In prlvato apartments in leoidon would l> ? as impotent us Mr. Yancey, whereas Mr. Slldell and Mr. Mason seized en boar! a ItrltisJi steamer become the ontiaged guests of lite Hrltish natiou. She can gain nothing by (ho capture itself she may lose everything by the way in which the capture was made, For our selves, our most earnest longing is for peaoe; and most sincerely should we rejoice IT. as sonic pipers hope, tho recent act wero di. owned by the American government. if not. i'e dtrctul the iOllteijil' w:r?itiril I thtM t't.n if th' Am ri nn mere etivtly run"! in their inhrprr'utii n of the tau?ami can i nly call ennui nailers and our countrymen generally in I t.y any act if tin its to mid to the grace dangers mini h in ui hi to i ii' ii (le the. /'?'"< c if tin no flit. OPINION IN IRELAND. [From the Dublin En . in til's Jmiruul (liberal ami t'niholic). Nov. HO.] The 'iuerIion between the British ami American govern uiefit- has taken a decided turn against the latter, The law ollieere were immediately consulted, and liny found, it veins, little ditllcullv in arriving at. n decision. That decision is adverse to the Am ricmi govt rmiiei t. ]i lavs down, absolutely and without <|iiullUe..ilinn,tblil the I'oici b|e capture of Messrs. Staiei Mu-on was miwarrantcil by eny ].rira i|ile known to civiliz d nations or the preco dents i f iii'ornationnl law. The opinion of the Attorney and Solicitor General has invested the question with a still more important aspect than it bore in the t imultarid excitement of th" first account. Ttic facts for tlio consideration of the law ollieors were simplo. They were comprised in a few sentences. Aimed Willi (lie opinion of its law hdvisors, the govern ment will proceed to demand reparation. A Cabinet Council i-ul yesterday to e osidor the best mode o sub mitting the qui stion to the good sense of tic American government, it i= hoped the Washington Cabinet will not push matters to extremities. Mr. Seward, oil whom the brunt of liri'i-h iie/u,r.alion fall.-, is not quite -.o reck less or insensil ie to the consequences of a just re, malum, where an act of injustice has tiaen coin mil ted, as to load liis already owi Inn Ho ned shoulders with a far more for midable war than the dirpute with (ha South. Wo do not hellovo that lie over contemplated the act idal ah surdity ot forcing a quarrel with England to escape from the other. Tim conclusion w would draw is tl at Captain Wilkes could not i not such a lim o\q ortunity to make elia a ler an I capital lty taking arnn A possession of a Hritlsh shin and violating the British ling. Who. a h ro wi 1 be th. captain of the Jacinto when lie lands at New York the rebel commissioners whom he torn from the protection of lite British flog! Nor is tlio captain of the. Trent wholly hlniiieless. If' I; if ot writ the ejiuiinter of the. four /nssi ,, era irlir.li lie received them oil board. It was well known they were eminent Southerns, and on an errand to England to procure armed applies. I Villi this hnowledge Ciji tnlii Moie committal a pal polite dotation of tin (fiocn'H fa in ilioii riijoin iiii; niii'mlUii, l,e mi- in b" 'mint/ his prs'itf/cis tin y if i\:liiiilly niii'tcil to tin jrobc'ion of his Jlstg?a /irmudim In had no taja! eight to yi .nU, became. it ill'' Iriil ii ri- hitii " of in ntrattty. If, instead o| tlie Ja cinto. a British man oi'-war had overhauled the Trent, it would have been the duty of the U: dish captain to warn Captain Moirtli.it in ltarbu'iugthoCoiuini- ioti is h ? was violating the proclamation of his own sovereign, and plac ing himself outside the jinle of the law. The boarding of a British ship under such cit>uinstunees is sutllcicnt to excite public indignation, and it has be. ti lou l and gene rul. But Eng'aud herself has not lieen very uico in re specting federal lights. She has /lermitbd icucliladen with contraband goods in enormous i/umti iet In dear out of htr /x'lU fur the South, one of who Ii, the lleriimda, has re turned with n cargo if cotton, after having lua'ee broken the hire fade at (hnrlciJ*n?first in running in with a cargo of saltpetre, ami next running out with two tliou sand bales of sea island. Now these things should lie taken into consideration, and Englishmen, when they csll for violent metiMires against the federal government, should relied that their own countrymen have lieen violating neutrality, and provoking violence against which tboylnv'igh. Tho ie.ding among |wu?oos e ij>able of forming ft sound opinion on the subject is that if the firUvh Cabinet rrpn seiU the fas ts calmly ami mode lot-11 to the American, ri/mention will In made, and Meters. S i till and Mas n sunrende, el. I/ird Pftlinerstoii knows ton well the importance of the mtercsts on both sides to act. without the fullest deliberation. Should tlio Amorl ran government refuse redress il w ill, perhaps, be fol lowed by tbo Joint action of Franco and Englaud in rais ing th< blockade, ling/and will tint da tare war, though she will nduully wage it. bet the federal government as sume tho responsibility of proclaiming war against Eng land aud France. MOVEMENT AMONG THE IRISH NATIONALISTS. [From the Dublin Freeman, Nov. 30.) An evening colcm.xirary states that a meeting of " na tionalists''was hold at the European Hotel yesterday, and that a public meeting will be held on Thursday in tho Kottindn, to express their opinions rs to the course to be u (opted in tlie present crisis of affairs that has arisen between America and England. Among those present at tho jireiimlnary meeting were Mr. Munkett, T. C.; Mr. Underwood, Mr. Ilcnis Holland (hiskman), Mr. Sullivan, Mr. P. J. Smith, Dr. Waters, Ac., Ac. OPINION IN SCOTLAND. [From the Edinburg Scotsman, Nov. 20 ] Among all the dubious or disputable points, one is pretty clear?that the federal government of America would never have raised the question In its present shape if that government had rut lien mm wore desiroufin pro. vole rupture than tec hfe yyr own ft^rment and people Ji)U k ft ?yv?<I 0i in??mmmn. ? "* VIEW8 OF THE FBENCH PEESS. OPINIONS OP ALL THE LEADING PAPERS THROUGHOUT FRANCE. [Translated from iho French Journal# for tho N'rw Yon* Herald.] A FRENCH AOCOFNf OF THK AKIUB8r OF MASON AND PUPKIX. [From tho private correspondence of the IndependAQco Rclgo, of tlio 28th of November ] Tho huh}*tidanee UeIgc of tho 28tli of November, cull* attention editorially to tho following letter from ono of tip corronpom lento, giving n somewhat different account of tho arrest of Mason and Slidoll on board tho Trent* The editorial paragraph says:? Ono of our American correspondents, who happened to be on board of the Trent at tho time this vessel had to sub mit to the visit of tho crew of the San Jacinto?this is the name of t he federal ship-of-war?transmits to us detail! the most circumstantial and complete of thin cxtraordip nary Incident, the consequences of which will soon d6* yelopo thempelvee. Wo hasten to publish this letter, thd iutereit of which now incontestahly predominate* ovof every other correspondence. Wo are happy to bo able ad promptly to put our roaders in a position to upproctatf exactly all the featurea of au eveut of the highest impor* tance. Subjoined Is the letter of tho correspondent thus re ferred to:? AtSia, ox Ro a an tiik Trknt, i I Royal Maii. Steam Packet, f ' Rut?I have hist witnessed an act which will ?k u great Munition in Europe?one which I hasten to write you all account of on board the same ship which has been the tlicatra of it. I idled from Havana on the 7th November, on board the Trent, a steamer of the Royal English Company, proceeding in fit. Thomas. There were on board the same \e el the fol lowing I'HHMmucru for Europe:?Mr. Slidell, Mlnisou'of the South Atiierienii States to the Court of Fraiv e, who was ac companied by Ids wife, son, and three daughters; Mr. Eustis, Secretary of Legation. and Mr. Mann. Minuter of the numo States to the Court of England, accompanied by Mr. McFar land, Secretary of Legation. A1 out two o'clock 1*. M. of the following day. I ring Friday/ the 8th of N?-comber, we encountered a vessel.of.war of tho North Americau States. This vessel hoisted its ttiur, and fired ono of Km minion in our direction. When we were with!* the distance of a pistol shot it tired a second shot towards out bow. The Trent ho.sled her flag and stopped. A boat immedU atoiy left the \mertean vessel, conveyIng towards us at> oflleer, who declared to the English captain and to tho agent of the llritish Admiralty that lie wn? informed hy his com mander there were on board the Trout, ns passengers, Mrj Slidoll and Mr. Mamn, Mr. Eutis and Mr. McFarlaud, ami that hr I'aih*' to til/, them, drud or ulirr. The English captain and agent protested, nml declared thai they would not oibndt to this outrage. Tin nfllf'T thrn left lhe vessel, bi' returned Immediately ae? nnipimied by two boats full of armed soldiers, who followed him on twxird rh<f Trent. They c irrted muskets, swords and revolvers, whieli they displayed on their oillcer uttering a new and mora pro-King KUinn lit. Mos>ra. Slidoll, Mason. Eustls audi M- Farlend t!i"P presented tlu*mselved, jolritn their protests' to those of tho English captain and the iiyet f of tho Admi ralty. Mathth"' Slid, II, hr,' datpftiter*, <(it i limbiM" Kostie KUi iouii'l it t/. f aiul protest r-t with t/o ir imrtt (((?ihit't this ottfn'?(*?. The dtttrriraa officer rontiti i"l doaf id th' ir rfm<>Hfttrun",s} and irnarwt his onter, nayi </ la his ,11*114 41 Drat! or alia,." Mesm-s. sitdell, Mason, Eustls and McFarlaud ?- n rondoredf themselves, and descended info tho bonis under Tie bayonets of their former copatrlots, and were immediately rouveyedl on hoard the American vessel, which wo afterwards learned was the. "Sain Hyacinth (so writes the correspondent). A inonu m al'ier the departure and capture of these gentle men and the tninsp- i t of their baggage, the American oflleer* who liad remafiH <1 on hoard with some of his sold'era, sum moned the English captain to goon hoard the Amerieati ship, The latter refme d. The oflleer transmitted this refusal ?<> hia chief. Then, after having threatened the English captain to ?tike him by force on hoard, he finished by abandoning this pretension, ami withdrew with his men. Madame Slideiland Madame Kuvti< remained on hoard the Trent, and pursued with us their \ ova go to Europe. Such are the grave tacts of which the Trent has just been the tip am*. On board an English ship, carrying a royal Eng lish Hug, commanded by an oflleer of the royal Eugh -h ma rine, and in ? ontcmpt of the protests of a special acnt of tbif llrltish Admiralty, four p;u-sengern have bemi taken away by nut in force ami made prisoners by ;?11 Aineri in vessel ol war. At tho moment of my departure from Havana the Spanish fleet was almost 1 oiler ted together. The French fleet was up to then composed of the Eavoisier and the Foitd.e, and wax awaiting its completion. The English fleet was expected, and it was thought that towards the lfith or 20?h the threa squadrons would he assembled, and would then set rail foi Verat'ju/,. ('"Inmooting on tliis fact, on tlio 29tli of November, the Mep n ianrr nay s thut the arrest of the Southern Coin* tnissiouejs is the solo hi en that occtiph s the attention ol tint political anil tlnunclal world in Europe. The organs of the tories sro very severe In their com' meuts, and tholr anger responds to tlio irritation of the public. They, demand immediate and terrible chas tisement. The liberal ministerial sheets, without even excepting the Ddly iVewr, are very reserved. It is to lie remarked that In these questions of inter national maritime legislation Kugland hits tip to the lire k "nt titne always, or nearly always,pursued an aggressive course, em! there would he /to difficulty in rsta'.lithing pre orients which, under aristino eireumitoncrt, iw>?M tell agaitittlier. The Timrt and the QUbc have very justly re marked this. Tito latter have oven remarked that the citizen of I.ivcrp to! have been too hasty to inaugurate their indignation meetings, h cause, it says, "it our go vi rnmeut admits tbo American doctrine, it. will be only n leaf fi om our own b toks?a practice of belligerents copied front our own precedents." The 1/ rning Star, without concealing the fuct that it goes against public opinion, maintains that the captain of the Trent could not transport envoys front one of the lielllgorent parti >s without violating the laws t f nci trail ty. This is also the view of tlio .Sco'fman, According to this latter, the transportation of despatches and amlemsadors of a belligc; cnt Power on a n ? ttral ves sel, leaving cue neutral port for another neutral isirt, in like the transport of contraband of war, from with hit roselit that tlio Americans liad the right to seize Messrs. Mason mid Slide!!, even on board the front. This Is the whole question, and on Its solution by the latv officers ot tlv Itritlfch Crown will depend tic ultima!* conduct of t)i ? London Cublnot. If tbeso Jurisconsults ap provo ol the opinion of I tin Scotnnan, nothing is left to Ifay Inttd but to lend her In ad under the, barbarism of a enrage right which /o" lie, ,i ii/y/iVd to her. wi'hmt any pomw to a< nye herself fur the >tUrage committed on tor ttorj by <i Pmrcr trntiirtl* which the hits ttecer, up to the present tiow, censed to itii mi ll the i/realerl circiimttpei lion. But the question dim not only interest b.nylnwt ^atUto UQh fir ii direct 11/ curotrned. It equally concerns al! the mari time Powers. 11 ruin the Journal ilea Debafs, Nov. '29- [ Tlr 1m inr i; world was Justly oxclte 1 yesterday even lag by tin," grave tews wliicli arrived here from Lon <lu?, mid whir!; w.v- brought to England by the ordinary mail sti-amor l a l'lata. The commander of the federal war vo si'l tin- San Jacinto, bring a ware that tho com niissiiilu's sent by the South to Europe lmil left Havana for SI. Thouia j on the mail steamer Trent stopped this steamer in the llali.iriia channel and sunt on hoard t wo ottliwith iirncHl men, and without taking any not left of the formal protests of Commander Williams or < f the English fhqr, which was hoisted, look o!f the Southern Commission rg by forco. Such aro the essential facts of th:s upturn ticco'rding to the account published by the (llnl.e of last evening. Wo do not wish to hasten to de cide on tlio dlscu don which will follow this net of vio leiieo. It Is gene ally admitted that neutrals oti^ltt not to mix either directly or indirectly in war operations; Hint, tfiey expose thomsclvos to lawful seizure when thoy carry for either of the belligerents contraband of war, troops, ?.Hirers, known spies, or oilier agents belonging to the ,-crvice. f the armies. It is very natural that the Americans should watch narrowly the waters of tlio Isle of Cuba, and Unit tliey should challenge all that I' uvea Havana, whence it is so easy to gain the e< ast of Florida. As the Trent is hut u merchant vessel. and as it was not sufficiently removed from the American coast to escape all suspicion, the federal cruiser had tlin right to stop it, anil to examine wlwit was ou board. I'ne ir/ii le din-nation he'tr t n President Linn, hi anil England utill tint n/nni Ihi mil character which in lit' h- attributed to Mifi.i t. Matmand Stid'lt. President Lincoln will doiibt le.-s allege that the arrested commissioners wore going to Europe tor war purposes,and that the maritime code of civilised nations, in expre sly .stipulating for tramps rts, hasrpecilied no similar privilege for vessels which por form the postal service. It may be that the contents of the despate.h's which Mr. Mason and hi-' colleagues wero to c inmun irate to ono or several Kuropcan cabinets are of such a nature as to throw a liclit on this gravo and intricate question. IHf linnalrlfifur Mr. f.iiuiiln, Onnmand r ll'ilhr. hat nut tr.i:nl th jifilcl.r:, which ham amml in Km/land bij th< Ln Plata, and if limy Include anything which may fc. gi'tiiuilire tin net of thrAnvricatt rruirer, or m Hi flat* itt chnrif trr.i'i< mi eery likely that the only diplomatic aptn of the. Southern Shin, who it at pratf.nl ill London. will l)? in an;) hurry to/ubliih than. | From tlio Paris 1'atric of Nov. '29.1 The relations of Fngland and the United States threaten to assume a character of great gravity. They had liccotno very cold since the badly advised represen tations w hiclt l ord Lyons believed It to be his duty to address to the Ctibiie-t at Washington on the subject of & proi1 ss w hose s' bit ion belonged solely to the courtsof I .slice. They have now become complicated by an act Which cannot fail to cause the most energetic reclama tions, and in which all the virony is on the side of the A mi rh ant. Tho Southern Congress had decided to send two im portant personage s to Furope, Jle.-si s. .Mason and .Slidoll, the Ilrn representing Virginia and tlio second Louisiana in tho Senate of the United States, befora the separation. Roth of thi in played an Inijan taiit part in American noll tlcs, and were aiiiong the most ardent promoters or the secession movement. Unlimited powers had boon con ferred upon them, and secret instructions wero sent by them from Jefferson Fa vis. Ono of the (Inrst vessels of the .Southern marine had been set aside to carry tho plenipotentiaries, and was armed as a war vessel. Hlls design was, however, only a deception, with tho object of putting the loleral authorities ulf their guard. It was not doubled, in fact, that the Washington govern ment would make tho greatest efforts to seize the ihusods of the Southern envoys, uud especially their Instructions, by which means they expected to discover the secret vlnws of their adversaries. As It frequently occurs In human affairs, the excess of precaution often operates against tho view in which It was designed. The Nashville, on which it was to bo ex pected that uli (lie vigilance of tho enemy would hava been roiiceiarated, easily ejuded the federal cruisers, and following the instructions which she had received, crossed tho Atlantic and presented horself in the channel to give currency to the idea of the safe arrival of the plenipotentiaries. The Patrie then details the case of tbo Harvey Birch with the b gal phases of the discussion. All these questions which - have already pro voked controversy in England are now placed in tho shado by an act of tho greatest gravity. Tho sailing of tho Nashville was only a decoy: The Southernlgiivernmont did not desire to expose their ambassadors to tiie hazards of a long voyage, and lhe$ derirrd I hem to reach England under the. yrulertiu* of the Enyliih fag. M'-sfs. Mason and Blidell then-fore secret ly embark d on the coast of Florida, and reached Havana safely. There thoy did not think there was any mo>"c ne cessity for precaution, and accordingly took passage on board a little English mall steamer?the Trent?-whlcn plu s between Havana aud St. Tftmna^ wlwre tn? oh mni.n.tu .nulla nf Ihn CWIIah Antilles ""P tO b? SSBI 00 monthly mails of the English Antilles stop to be se^ to Europe. On beard tboVent, the onvoy.^ (to M belteved that they wore underthai' ^ acoor* lish flag, as well as of the roya I mad..Wast IM? iacoor* injj to the jirccfte otdcn of IW joywwBjo j I

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