Newspaper of The New York Herald, April 17, 1862, Page 2

Newspaper of The New York Herald dated April 17, 1862 Page 2
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2 m st aid lu lis ere lie ion, yet from the vorjr nature of the subject it is 011) b, tb? oo-oper?' kui ?*f lb-1<?. ai su i bonnes M can beeilectiveiy done with; and the rrbeiiioa, though it inteuam.? and c "ueoil ttitea o iuiou asaiust the tualit u .n, d es out reoiuva the u comity lor thisuo epeietou But Una oo op.iretton is easily secured. It BaMi only Uia wi I to e -euro it, to find the *ay to secure U. A muiiteetan m uf the apirit uf jimtioa ou the part of the uattnn. and a di.-p sit.on to do auto the people uf the South a* the people at the No tit would be doue by uud-r mmliar circuuiatancee, ta all that la neceesary II I am naked to be more e a do in debiting (ha policy Una apirit would boget, 1 point you to ihe policy of Abraham Ltu30la If tha repoulicoua had proclaunad that imlicy, I eerily be ieve we should n?t have had this rebe lion; arid If It can aran now be recuguizeil by Confess, 1 be.iovn it will save the b.uod of ui uiy of our soldiers, an t sooa a mi us peace and goodwill, aad speedy emancipatioa besides Many assume that Mr Llacoln'a programme of CO. oiliation by separ. tion of lha races is inadequate, be oauae the blacks are an numerous that they cauuot all be remove).aad una will be epilrsdto remote even a small pertlou of 1 hem. Tbsy argue that because the Uberian colony lias failed to attract the freed negro population in any considerable n rubers, that any scheme of eolont sidlou must also be a failure. There la a vast difference, however, between the idea of being colonised < n our own continent, under our own dag, I ami baing buried In Africa. It Is the dilTreocs between life at.4 death. home a d banishment. The fact that even now many of theae persons are going to Hayti, and that multitudes of lUcin have for years been looking out for an asylum in some neighboring country, has not attracted the attention of those who have not been interi-st'-xl m the subject. Ihey uo not know that a delegate convwrion was held atClevtland by them in the year 1867, to consider the sub;e> t, and e commission appointed to examine and report. I w^e not aware of this m> ?<?if when I nt.de ay first apeorb in tee Bouse in 1868, eo the subject. ThM end other speeches attracted the alt. alt a f these peo|4e,aud i bave since been furnished with > copies of their pnncc lings.reosived Isttsrs frees 8bdr leading men, evi- ciu* not only the deepeet interest in the subject, but ita laying aoomprehaosivs kuowledjs ef it, which shews that they have men among them fitted to be the founders of a new nationality I was ensured by the organ of this convention that If the government would act on my proposition, ha was already authorized to speak for fire thousand persons who had some means, who would smb.-ace it in the first year. 1 do uot myself doubt that ten times that number would be found in the first year, and that tbs establishment of such a colony would be followed by an outpouring of this population like tbe outpouring of the Mississippi whon a crevasse is ( ened. It is indeed so manifest that this population tends by nature to that region, that I could as soon doubt tbbt water would s<-ek its level when permitted to duw, ns that this race would not eeek its natural home when at liberty to go*lhe e. The census shows that it gravitates to tbe tropiee, so that, evon under existing conditions, it is but a question or time; and that it will free itself when it geia there, we have also seen, so irresistible is natural law. M.. Liuco.n only proposes to obey this natural and Irresistible law and facilitate its operation. It is tbe dis egard of it wbicb baa orscted the disorder under wbicb the body poll tio is now sutlermg. Can it be doubted that the fever will abate rapidly when hie policy ta adopted? And, indeed, te ch ia the nature of the case that I feel warranted in saying that the disturbance will oease as soon as it w know u that the nation has accepted Mr. Lincoln's policy, and before a single negro has left the Union. The outbreak, as I have already said. sprang from the convictions in the common mind in tlie disturb* 4 region that the nee toes were ;to be lib- rated and put upon an equal foot ug with the whitee. The mere idea of thia amalgamation was inatrumental in producing the rebellion. There waa no actual emancipation. The idea of the separation of tha racq is a complete antidote to that poi.-uu. it m tl-e duty of the national government to make the provision Mr. Lincoln recommends. That govei nment alona has the control of our external rela tiona, and therefora the State# could never be relieved of this race without the actio# of the federal governmant. And I will take the oooaeion to say that, in my Judgment, the representatives of the North will very soon find that they will be called on to act by thair own people. The OMtrubahde are goiag North, and it will aoon be demonstrated, I think, that the working men of the South do not dtflhr from their brethren or the Nprth, ia desiring that this population shall be provided With e mere suitable heme than is to be found among the White population The wisdom or Mr. Lincoln's policy wlU vindicate itself then, if not before. The efflcscy of Mr. Lincoln's proposition to give pecuniary aid to such of tha States as may wish to embrace the emancipation peliey is alee questioned. If that proposition stood alone, there would be reeeen for this. And It is because the venerable gentleman rrom Kentucky* (Mr. Wiokdlffe), who, I believe, truly reflects the feelings of the (Jaion slaveholders of his State and section, did not consider it only an a part ot tha President's policy, that ho regarded it with diniavor. 1 j-dge so, indeed, without having conferred with him upon the subject, but I feel some conkgenes ia the opinion, because while be dittoed on other points of public p -llcy with hie distinguished brother, the Into Bobert Wtckiifle, upon matters pertaining to slavery, v there wga. I be.teve, an accordance of views. If I am right in this impression, then I am authorized to say that the views of the President, takes as a whole, will be accepted by that geiitlaman; for I received a letter from hie brother, ia 1868, warmly sustaining those views as AvrJalnnzi Kv mm in mv nrMAr h ftf that Vfgr ian/1 T will take occasion to my, that n though Mr. Robert Wickliffe was never a member of Congress, or otherwise engaged la administering the tederal government, jet ho was among the foremost of those extraordinary statesmen and lawyers who have rendered the State of Kentucky so IHuatrtous la the history of the Union. He was the compter or the grsat John Breckinridge, Henry Clay, Hardin, Bledsoe, and other great minds who have passed from the scene. I am not of thoae who be leve that it is impossible for this government to put down ihis rebellion and emancipate the slaves or make any other disposition of them that may seem good. That opinion has beta put forward generally by those who did not wish to set the rebellion put un er foot. I observe that much has been eaid be the English press t# the effect that thff government eoul'l never a .bjugalo the seceded states, and we can a.mrcciato the sincerity of their declarations wuea we consider that the B itish government itself holds nearly two hundrad millions of people in the very c >udttion to which some of its public men declare that this govsrnment cannot subjsct the seceded States. As far an physical power is concerned I have never doubted the ability of this government to reduce the seceded States and aabjeet them to any terms we may choose to dictate; but I contend that we cannot sub.iugate them without maintaining a vast army and without changing the very form of our government. We cannot emanci|<au the laves of the South and maintain tnsm in the condition of freemen upon the soil of th<>ee States without the pre nenc# of an immense force equal to that which ts required to set them free. It cannot be done because no law can be executed whioh is against the s?n.-e of the people of a community witaoul the applicat>oa of force. This i? Illustrated by the Fugitive Slave law, which has been held tube constitutional, ant which is aciuieaeed in by * very large majority <>f th people of tha North, and j H haa bean evaded and resisted, and its execution in al must a very f i veu instance coats t he gover.. m?r. t more than the value 01 the stave rendered up under it. This isbscaute the law is repugnant to the moral sense of a Urge body of the Northern people. How will you eie. ute a decree of emancipation which will set free the slave* of the South upon the soil and atneng a people the whole body of whom are opposed t. it, and who ha e takeu up .irtns in rebellion agan-t tins vary idea of Legr> equality' It can only be dooc by the presence of an imiuenae army, sufficient to prevent the wliUe ra< a fr >m reenslaving the hi ick, and hy waging a coasta t war upon th- pei-p.e <<f our race for tho protection ef the black race. IP w long would It b* endured by the Northern peo.de that a war should lie waged :pou the people of their own race at the So rb to make the blacks tnelr equals I do not believe that any party Cold reia n power at the North upon ?u t an iiiaae. Wo should nut overlook atiotbet cut side .'tiun in dealing with this sub jecL Ou armies ore c m,>oee<1 of men, and men act a ike nler eimiUr cpenuietancee Northern men a the South are not noted for any particular prejudice against aUvry.aud the soPlieis whom it trill be n-ce*sar> to maintain at the South in order to aecuie the free Join of the enfranchised stares, may coma to look upon the matter in a different light, and the result may be simpl# a change of masters for the S.aves. It ie notorious thai the contrabands are now the servants of our . o.-imrs. We an make emancipation acceptable to the whole mats of rion-slavsh ldsrs at the South by coupling it with the policy of co.onization. The very pre. idice of race which now makee th* n -n-slave hrdders give their aid to hold the slave in bondage will then indue# them Pi unite in a policy which will rid thea of the presence of the negroes. and, as nin* out of tea of the whits psOjd* of the ;south are non-slaveholders, and M the right of suffrage la almost unlimited it Is easy to aee whet will be the result. It ia ob,e?ied. however, that we have no rignt to remove the negroes from th ,r own couutrv against their will. I do not believe that ooini> i b ry ouionl atlou it necessary to the Ultimate sue wit of ibit plan , but neither do I regard it with toy abhorrence . on the contrary, I lo <k upon It at the greatest boon we oan confer upon thla race, (renter by far than Ibt (if- 01 personal freedom lu a .ard in which they must forever ramatb in a condition of eocial inferiority, among a people who will treat them witb ere. y imaginable in d gnlty Contrast tbit witb tbe policy which will bund them up in a great nationa ity, in a country peculiarly edapted lo their physical organization, in wbiih thalr natural vigor an I endurance make them au periot to all other racea, and whoae vegetable and mine rai wealth ez :e*da that of any other portion of the worl l Kventa are now transpiring on thIn eoutluent, beyond tbe limit* of eur country, which have a bearing upon thla queettoe, aimoat at significant aa thoae which arc taking place upon our own eoil. The aetiona of 1 urape hare eeiaad up<? the moment of our great trouble* to Inteifere In tbe alar* of tbe feeble republic* of the South, and to establish thrnr.es to be upheld by European p-.licy and to bo subservient te the commercial power 01 Hurope. Tbe fact that the time of unr own weakneaa Mas been cboaen lt>r this atpuspt is r ium?K mo lent to prove h>thee* American States that heretofore the mural lower of thie republic has al?ne i iiu wd them against European rspai Ity, and Its *1bct ha* a<re?dy been to raetnre to tie thegood will which we had forfeit by th* atlbimter scheme* of th# slarery goverumente which bar* ?o long dominated thia ropubllc. With th* end of thla rebellion will return the power and inBnene* which Will eneb'-e o* to liberate Mexico from her tbieatened dangeis: will return, also, In Its fullness, the eon fide ,<? ani gnd will of that people, and of all bor kln< red rucee "f the'batral and South Araertaan fltatee They will aM seed th* foetortng ear* and kiadaeaa ?f our gor em-neat te aaoist In organising their own etreagtb and maintaining stable gon rnmenta. With the resioratlua of g-iod fading will rerlre th* commercial Intercourse wb.ch enr* ests'ed between thoae pc>pl* and Our ?wa, n I wbioh was lost to a wins tbey becsm* alienated by tbe Injustice and outrage* of our late filibustering rulers. It it in thia gorge > regoo ef the American tropica that eor freedrasn will And tboir bomee sm mg a people without prejudice agonal their eoior, and lo whom tbey will curry sad lm|?*rt new energy and vigor In return for tbe w do n>* whi< h will greet them as the pledge of th* rutin pr tw tnn and fnendrlilp of our great republic, I look with tvmfl .ence to tbi* movemsut ae the true and only solution of tint u"?stloa?* question by which the llf" of the usiloa M s ueen <> often put in peril?* move meat by which tw,, r?rM of roan will be delivered r urn ?n unhappy ontunctioa. r?tal t? both. an I by which two i-fr ires are to be es ah.ishrd to bless mankiah by their oeii, JwvjI iiiHuoueoe tdiough all futui* time, I X NEW TOP IMPORTANT FROM EUROPE. The Canada at Halifax with Two Days Later News. The Mails of the Norwegian and City of Baltimore in New York. Our Paris and St. Petersburg Correspondence. i The English Parliament on the T% -1 ? i.* %T 1 TVT * nv voiubion in a aval w ariare. iron-Armored Tesaeli Against "Wooden Willi* f and Land Fortifications. ] TO WW WO&IS AT SPITHKA9 &USPXNDKIL * THE FEELING IN FRANCE. Russian Opinion of American Military Affairs. The English Invasion of Mexico Officially Abandoned* lapture of the New York Pocket Ship Yorktown by a Rebel Privateer. TRADE OF THE REBELS TO LIVERPOOL. THE ENGLISH PRIZE RING, a#., a*., M. The steamship Cansila, from Liverpool on the 5th and Queeostown on the Oth of April, reached Halifax yeater- tl day on her voyage to Boston. Her news is two day* ? later than that brought by the Norwegian at Portland." ? The Khglish House of Commons on the 4th inst. debated the question touching the relative value of fortiOeations and floating bntterias, and resolutions were adopted providing for a sua pension of the works at Spithead. It will shortly also consider the expediency of empowering the government to une the money alreedy voted for the forta in the construction of iron sheathed vessels. Consols closed on tb# 4th inst. at 93% a 93% for money. ? Brsadstuflh were quiet. Flour declining. Provislens p onUI itnnpiMit sssiipilisa firm n Our Europe** flies by tbe City of BelUmore and Norwegian are to the 3d of April. The paper* contain some ? very interesting detail* of the telegraphic reports of the R news already published In the Hanaro. b The tetters of our correspondent* in Paris and It. Pe- a tersburg, glran to- lay, show that the great naral rero- e lutlon effected by the battle between the Monitor and b Merrlmae, the question of the construction of iron-ar- " mored navies resulting therefrom, with the war and po- s lit leal bows from the United SUtes, engrossed a eery " large share of attention In the Freneh and Russian capl- , tals. n ' Our Parts Correspondence. Paais, April 1.1M2. The French Pros on Our AoroJ Revolution? Alarm o England?Effect qf the Abolition of the Passport System? SUdell and His "Legation," dc. While the Eaglish Journals, since the arriralof the news of the remarkable naval battle between the lfsrrl mac and the Monitor, have been filled with art tela* in relation to it, the French prsss has said rery little about it. Indeed, with the exception of a few general remarks at the tune the news first arrived, and a long artiolo in tbe Patrie of last svsnlng?whleh, however, ts nothing more than a detailed description of the fight?.there have been no comments made upon It. The fact of the matter is that now you have demonstrated by actual experiment what Eneland and France have been theorizin* about for the put three run. The English government la really alarmed at the comparatively unprotected condition la which this naval revolution placet her, and at the re.i[ superiority of the Trench navy over hers. Trance can afford to keep quiet now, when England Is in such a terrible etate of excitement; for while the latter has bees talking the former has been at work building iron clad vessels. In view of the facts la relation to their efficiency, and the greatly superior number of iron, olad vessels^ which Trance has, England may well become alarmed, and sail upon the Admiralty to hurry up their slow coaches. The suppression of the passport system in the United States will have the effect to send to your shores a number of Southerners who have simply been remaining in Europe becau-e they oould not bring themselves up to the (ticking point of taking the oath of allegiance required before the Consul would issue a passport. Some have swailewed the bitter piU and committed perjury; ti?t I Snonr of several ca~.es where mrsons from the Southhave refused to do this, and some have boon living In Paris almost without means for several months past. Mr. EuBlis,tbeSecretary of legs lion ofSiidrll '* private orabas ay, ha.- < a led sevsral tunas upon the Consul, to see whether there was no mods of arranging this mattar, so that soma ofthese bard cases might !>e relieved; but thi Con sul s iMttructious wa.e imperative, and since ha received t am no passport has bean :aau>'d ar ? ??,. by him wiUioul tha applicant being required to take tha oath of allegiance. There is considerable rejoicing on a small scala among thu doutbernera at Porta at iba recant change tn this matter. aa lor rilidell and his "legation,''there Is really nothing to baaald. Ha is rastiug quietly on his cars, waiting?like Micawber?for something to turn up. Onea a weak ha give* a reception at his magnificent rooms on the Cham i? Elysees, and which ia at tended hy tha Southern community, of whom there are probably between two and three hundred in Paris, aud a few Trench sympathizers. Ilut hs or his frisnds are not making the slightest noissor escitemenl, snd the idoa of any inter ferecca on tha part of tha French government hat long tines baan abandoned. Thurlow Weed returns to London to-day. Oar St. Paleribnrg Correspondence. St. PmotsBt-ro, Marob 24, 1892 Mr. fltuxird't SOU?fmpretriun Produced by the Suecwi of the Union Army? H'Aof mil America do with Her Army* <tr. Tha Journal de St PeUrtboury publishes Mr. Seward* note of the 18tb of February to the Russian Ambassador at Washington, which 1 need not say has caused the higheet satisfaction to our government. The Emperor himself feels sitramsly flattered by the gratifying remark of tha Atnenoan Secretary of State, that "Whan this unhappy civil war shall have tn led, with tha complete and permanent restoration of the Union on Its ancient constitutional bases, the fidelity, constancy and wisdom with which tha Emperor of all tha Rustles Ul coDiriemoa Uf wiw muu i ncn to tho rooull will All mankind with pM found oympothy nod tho moil liroly admiration.') (I quel# from tho French, which 1* partially n traniUllon of tbn original documont ) Wn onn only ocbo Mr. How nrd'a hop# tbot "tho mutunl confldoaeo bttwoon n republican govornmont la tho Wooi,and a groat nod woU i rogulatod monarchy In tho East, will afford new and ' wolf hty guarantors of poaco, ordor and llborty to all oa iiona,' and troat that this erUHo, which hao diocloood oo much nlwll aounoolty to your groat and glorionn Colon on tho part of othar European .-talon, will hare tor rod to comoot atlll soro clooely tho bondn of fnondahlp that htvo oitatrd for naarry a contury botwoen two countrlaa that bare to many katoraoto m oommou and no anclout rlrai rito and grudgoo to areago. Tha H .oolan praaa, which, with hardly anotcoptlon, hao araloualy aopouaod tho canao of tho I. a ton through good report and hail report, though atono itmooadiy discouraged by tho gloomy progte >at ot of cor to in " loading jonrnalo,'' 10 naturally units stated at tho brllltaat ouccuoeea achieved by tho I'nion artua, of which orory frooh talograa brmga <ia now particulars, and vrbich pronnto aapoody and pr'ioparouo terminatl <n of a otrugalo o>|ually painful I to humanity and damaging to Ihe | olltml cbaractor and poaitloa of tha Amarictn rapub to Tha VatMrrwya f'<Ma I la baginrdng to apac ilata oho t what yon will do with i tha gigantic army you have ra and, and which tha eoneluaion of tha war will leave without employment A i larga pro|>ortion of tha ? ,iunteor toidiaro will undo hi J adly return to th ?ir pater, ,i % ,tDm hut there will l>? i niiinhora who have taxan <?u.g to th* military trade, , and will not leel inclm nga It fur the paacaful I and unexciting purntil'n >> % c it,,re or ootnmrn ?; bo I rtdOa which, thoro tiiti" glu> a o. no,pilot apirlta in t both arm oa who might l>a dangar.u.a to tha oo ntry if I k t a. home, end , <r wboM fuui government wmi.iI a a t IK HERALD, THURSDAY to find occupttioa abroad The general*, loo, who hare rained reu<wn la tlieec inlerneolue contest* oaaoot bat ? i ertatu a de*ir? to display their talents against aouie th -r enemy than their own oouutrymea 11 ta thought that the Oral external action of tha remored and re invigorated Union will be la Mexico, uud ii at .tie aoh -me for establishing a monarchy iliore will fa 1 to the ground as a<x n aa yur government Ulna ;<>uUiU n to opiioae it by something more alllotent th in a uiero protest. Aa it ia, the I'cKelm is puriuada<l that Napoleon and Isabella will be aa nnauc r .1 in their endeavor* to make the Archduke Maxiuiili * fcju uiror of Vaxiooaa Mr. Kuaaol^or the London /ml, w g in transforming tho -o 'tlierti eoii'ode acy into a kint1 ru for the IHiko of i anib idge. The idra of exohng leg Mexico fur Venetia, and giving the Kmperor or A atria tin* Itauubiau prinoipalttiea or llosnla and ihellerraI >viua aa a further oom; annate u, is ecotiied moet dujidt-diy, and certain./ Kuaaia would never agree to auoh prqjeeta. THE REVOLUTION IN NAVAL WAR. Debate la the Brttleh Perllaaieat oa tho suojrci 01 iruni inn snipi ina u??? Fortlflcktlam-Effect ?f the Battle Betweem the Merrimae aad Moat tor?The La at Day* of >' Wooden WalU"?Kier* tlons of England?Captai* Coles' Plan of Capo las and Una Towers, dte., &e. * In the House of Commons on the 31st of March, Sir t. html rose to call the attention of the Secretary for War ? what had reeently occurred la Amerwaa waters, with t rtew of subsequently patting a gdeetlen concerning the orte now la course of oonatrucstaa at Spithcad. Upon. draaer occasions he had pretested' against tneooosWno. Steef works upon Pertsdown Bill, because he thought re should sever he shit to garrisons* ths forta. He heught ao still. He had net rotedwMh the heMrahl". nember for Liekeard when he proposed to abandon at1 he forts, because at ths tims he thought such meeeuree f defenoe were necessary ; but recml svsnls had indue Ml him to altar bis opinion, and, as the subjeot was one if rast importance to this country, hs felt it to be his luly to Invito ths attention of the House to it. He would tarn brought forward the subject on Friday last, but that la dealred to do so in the preseoce of the noble lord at he head of the government, whom he congratulated ipon his resppearsnoe In tbs Housa. (Loud cheers ) 2V mat question of iron-plated ihip* had been brought to an sue, and, happily, without any action on our part. Haar, baar.) It appeared that a vessel, which a few aonths back wes * wooden ship, was sunk, was then alsed, out down to within three feet of the water, cased rlth Iron two feet below the water line, and the iron aaing brought over the deck in the form of a roof, but tot absolnts'y forming a ridge, with an aperture on leek for venii.atioQ. In order to break tke blockade of he Cheeapeake that vessel moved down to Hampton toads, where she found several vessels constructed of rood, with considerable power, most of them well armed, iuI not all well manned. She engaged those vessels; de iroyed one by running Into her; was injured herself In o doing;she destroyed another by firing ner, and kept be rest of thesquadron at bay. Tiat mnm a gallant exloit, sod showed that the captain must have had rest conQdeeoe in the iron casing of hia vessel, rbtch there wes reason to believe Was five inch<? hick. Private letters staled that the shot flew of rom the iron covering of the Merrimao without having he least effect upou it. although one ahell appeared s havo entered the aperture on deck and killed the capsin and several men. So far that showed the success of overing vessels with iron decks; but it might be objeotd that auch vessels could not navigate the eea in bad ay to that upon which ths Merrlmao made her appear nee, another iron Teasel, of different conatructlon .deigned by Mr. Kriceeon, arrived in Hampton Roada. That easel h td oorae round from New York In half a gale of rind, and had proved hereelf a good and aafeaea boat, lie Merrlmao and the new oomer, the Monitor,eoea want ito action; both were well fought and well handled. That anted wot ef great importance !* us, when we were conidering how we should best defend our ports at the least en rnte. He heliered that the plane for forte at Spithead ad been reduced, but he would wish to eee them still irlher reduced. (Hear, hear.) Let the House consider lie question of how those forts could be fought. They 'ere to mount 380 guns, and would require J.700 trained unners, who would hare to lire at moving objects with eary guns. The right honorable baronet would perhaps ty that the forte were in course or construction; that ontracts had been entered into, aad that it was intendd to ptaee guns of euormous size upon those forts. He ad heard thft guns throwing 1,000 pound shot wars to be >ounted; but he hoped that was not the fast, beeaote if be proportion of powder?one-third the weight of the hot?was to be retained It would be like springing a line, and would be destructive to the men in the fort,. That danorr would there be of a Joreign fled an horingis). be Solent if we had a fed of thirty or forty Briuson Mom trt in Portsmouth ft arbor, which could be constructed at ne-tenth the cod of the forttf (Hear, hear.) The noble ord the Secretory to the Admiralty would recollect the italeinent of an able officer?Capt. Sullvan?that there vould be no danger to an enemy's fleet in running past the 'arts, and but few shots could be Qredatthem. Besides be expense of the forts, thsre was that of works pro rood to be erect' d upon the north coast of the Isle of ffight to prevent an sneny from oooupying certain Mints with a view to bombarding Portsmouth dockrard. Vessels like the Merrlmao or Monitor would take ittle heed of such works. In giving up ths forts they nust give up the works on ths Isle or Wight. Ths pastags or the Needles must be defended. and thors were orts there already, nnd ths landing must be guarded; mt to occupy a few spots of ground in order to present an memy from bombarding Portsmouth dockyard was a pure easte of public money. (Hear, hear .) The officers who 'ought the action In Amenoa to which he had referred regarded as settled the question between wooden end iron vessels. The Navy Hepartmeat nt Washington bed issued invitations for tenders for the ixnstruotion of vessola of nil descriptions, pertly wood end partly Iron. These were to he vessels of certain draught of water for harbor duty, vesseisafor river serrica, others Tor coaat defence. The randan wera to ba lent in by tha and of March, and immediate steps would be taken to form a fled ef a mast formidable character. Those vessels which wera in tan (led to dafand harbors and tha coast wara to araam tlfiaaa knots, to oarry eleven days' coal, and wara to b/armed with eleven inch 41111a. We had heard of an immense mortar; but nothing came of It, and tha same result would probably follow la the case of this enormous gun. (Hear, hear.) /ft did nctUlicve that the various parts cf the me al oould be amaltametfgd so as to render it proof against the large quantity of poseder which would be necessary to propel from the gun so enormous a shot. 1'arhapa tha drat two or three trial guns might ha well aoostructed; but by and-^y leai oare would ba taken with them, and aome serious accident would happen. (Hear, bear.) K.vee with tha Armstrong guns avoidants 00 ca-ionally happened, although there the amount of metal waa comparatively email. With regard to tha forts, if tha goverameut had not gone too far, they could surely suspend their operations. Ha wae told thst three forts wore in progress, let the experiment be confined to them, or, at all events, give up the Torts in the Isle ef Wight. The estimated c<? I was ?1,000,000; but ha believed they would coet a great deal more, and that we should be very lucky if we got out of It for less than ?2,000,000. It would be better to stop the works and psy a penally to the con tractor than to spend so much mouey so uselessly. (Hear, haar.) The honorable and gallant member for Waaeh Id (eir J. U. Hay), than whom uo man was more oompetent to give an optmou on this subject, In a letter addressed to the Times, upwards of three years ago, ohlled public ] attention to the importance of building iron vessel*. Mr. Irilrd also published a most edmirab.e latter deacilptire of a ship eo constructed as to run into aad aink an advtr ary. But even in America Dinnacrs ware maue, ana u appeared that the item of the Iferritnuo was too weak. No doubt the noble lord, the Secretary to the Admiralty, wiuUltake to Start thu town. Ttioro wan time to give our ships now m course of oonsirtictlua much gre.iter strength in thla ras;>eot. The Warrior oould not run into such a v.' sal as the Merrimac without rnoelvln*; very aerl >ua injury; but ir her present vorv iiaudi'.mu stem wars rainoTad,and a strong, useful atem substituted, aba would be a much more serviceable vessH. It was quite clear that, in constructing the torts at Spithe.id, wa were proceeding In a wrong direction But It was not too late to draw back, and th-re oeuld be ne nmre opportune time for doing ao tJim ujjv, qitha Taaf Jay of the Ananfial y?M, Ofla hA'tu wuicr the House should remember was tks rttjfl ulty in getting 2,700 well trained artillerymen to man the forts, Such a forev could not be sparad.aven If lha volun.asr movement contluued, and was It right, then, la goon constructing torts wbn.n th-y would find it impossible to ratnf (near.) Hut tbera would be no difllo illy in manning email rtsoa carrying two guns, which would be enough to heap at bay, if they did no more, formidable vessels liae the Memmac (Hear, hear ) Tha action In qneatlon bad changed ids opinion wtth regard to lha?e forte, and he was now fully irapraased with lbs necessity of making the heat uaa of tha le*a?n which we bad just been taught. Tha H?use would remember that bis lamented friend Sir R. Dun das waa or opinion that for tba deianua of the Solent It waa in oh butter to r? y on vessel* than an forta, (Hear, hear.) That olltorr wis a high authority, aid had proved *'gi<>e\ ? (""opUM imnnthis queation. Captain Colaa had* advocated the sa*? Hang, and the country waa much indobted to him for his aarvices. (Hear, hear.) The question of sloping aides, which had been muchoanvasaed, waa one of detail. No doubt,ir yon could precent tut chip* doping aid note perpendicular tide, t much thdher metal eflcwing w>uld be In the Merrimec the amount of rcrticel curfcce pieced otpudte to the line of fire was only two, r el the m wl three, feet, cod there wee thu* complete protection for the meo working the gune, cud plenty of elr. How Cepteto Onlee' oupulae would work wee e met terof experiment. but here wae e (hip which, ertei being exposed ell dey to the fire of eereral powerful roe eela end bet tor lee. went off without ULurjr end after e fire boure'engagement oo the eecend day, eipocedto the fire of gun* much hearl?r then her own.it ww e question whether e (hot ever penetrated her aide* or whether her etem wee Inhered by ruauiog itte her oppo nent. If her oldee were penetrated they clearly unit hare been pierced hp the fire of >00 or 171 pound ebot. But, at alt arena, the Monitor (detained not a (ingle ereck in eny of her plaice Although fighting almost munle to rauetle with the Merrlmec, tble ehlp wee not Injured In the leaet; eat If that were eo, no one need fear that email Iron-eeeed reaaela In the So ent would offer from the fre of lerger reeeele nnterln*. (Hear, hear.) Under tbeae olrcum*tearee it wea Aord/y jnttiflabb for the gone I iwa-nr (e proceed unlh 'he enmMuMm of worki on the northorn $hire of t\e 1I* of Wight or with thu who,* of th* forii oriainnUm yropott-i, and h? eelrod the Secretary for War wboiner It would not be prudeuttosu* pend th? nonetr otlon of there forts until the ralue of Iron-reefed gunboata ahoe.d hare been fully oiumdered (Hear, hear.) Mr. I.amn looked upon th!" action rt? the IrrtUn,) p 'til ire the ait'ipti/*l </ iron for *11 dareeejf ?*M l* in A t Mo l<?ly ? urnre Objections had hitherto bran made to i ria'l Iron ro*-o ? of thi* kind, but the unceeii of the M o\\'or h ft pi" A thai thipt of a email den imiv. oNi '/> rt,in t rge one*, and, more!?gr, though the Monitor tad not heen built a* a Maying iraft, eh had made th n/aije f<om \em IVfr to Hie Jam-' tl-tr in print nfe/g. UnicS" tlist veceel lied ornno Up the Merrlmao , night hare destroyed all the woedeu eiilpe thn.e elm *t ' , APRIL IT, 1^62?TRIl'I at liar leisure, and iku mtfiOftm -nt l?t "f**_ *"*?* ^ earnlAe teUui si cupatxl ti-nqf wno-ien and ***m * w<w. (II'ar, hoar.) The Americans l?*?* " aatlshed with the result ot tbetr In,011 svl that la >y wa r going u> oonatruot many eCb?r* and ha a.tw hjr one journal that they hail sbindrv at ilia idea jf defoudt.ig thuir harbors bt mat is >f forth Gesl objections were lurinerly raised to b" ce* i>t tuciple of const, uctiug bn>i of Iron. A"d ?b esllous wert Si 111 tuiide to going into step further tna < tb y hod doua, aud constructing the whole iary of the oeuctry of noa. Itut h < bah?va<l till they did ao they should aot beabis to ru luce ilioir uaial ?X|>audllura. (lioa. , hear.) Ths ado; ti >11 of iron as tbs material of consi ruction u?/i4 i do o- a y teilA (A* aereuify of Kitpiny la p* 4<?ir> of tindicr iai l up in fke 'lock :/ar<Ls. The governmeul would merely have toordsi the iron when they wnuled it; it' they chuse to build ahi,<s by contract, they c u!d do ao, but th J eould redoo* the e*'ab iehuieuls now kept up at soon great ocs<. aad th y would be able to know with certainly wh.a the naval expenditure of the country woufd be. (Hear.) The objections to adopting Iron that had lately been made la the lto is merged them selves Into this? th it they oould not use Iron to bull l a small outes of vessels for foreign service, because Uiey ware liable to fouling. The only remedy for this, and the ona that would be found the ohsai?*i in i ha and, was to provide mora dook ecnnm modal ion fur cleaning and repairing vessel* on their foreign eta ll us. The outlay for bringing ships and steamers how* for repairs was vary large. If an accident occurred to a vaasal on the fast or Weal India or the American stations. un'es* the means of repairing he wore at band, she must bo brought back to this country, and th* expens* of doing this was enormous. (Hoar.) Sooner or later they must provide greater dock accomuwHtatioa abroad. It wan slated by Admiral Robin**, in his evidence last year, that, with greater duck acoemmodaUea abroad,oueship'would Ob the work ef two. (Hear,) The government woyU save an ehprmottatim ?f mangy by adopUng theyrioolple Urns taM (Jaw*tand tlH they aw naopi sumo aura pian vney outua uoi m>.iwni nayxta.au ettuMeat state. Ife kMf M< idmI ? iiM had tafan place in America twwUlnto iHrec'the attentionof thegmarammt ware eeriouttg to this mater, and if

. vmtli paut* if art proem^inp. fib tacr wdta ihe oanttruetiae of a mall dots if uwoasn veal*. (Hear, hear.) TJfcflr would bo utterly u<ltst and unmUeto ape with the rettdt they mijht ha t to mat with an foreitm turret. (Hoar, boar.) He must repeat tie conviction that Ullaomeauch oou oe waa adopted the* ehould uot be able le reduoe the preaent eaormoue navel expenditure. (Hear, bear.) Mr. (JanuoBT said the event that had lately occurred la America appeared to him a treat and entire revolution In the art of naval wariare. (Hear, hear.) It wua ueilher more nor lean than that; and the Amerloan nnwsuu|?ere had been ooqgratulatiiig themselves that in coosequon of what nad oourred the naval auperiorlty of Kng.and waa at an end. But he took the preomelv contrary view. (Hear, hear.) He thought that England, with it*great wealth, innerhanital appliance! and ample tHjviy of cnal end inn, could not only provide for tbepr-teroa'ion, 'u the maint nance of the superiority it had hitherto mj y d. I lo entirely agreed with the h'tuorable and gallant member opposite that money expended on fortresses would be money thrown away. Forts would only be buoya and indioalioua by which an euemy might pass into the harbors. (liear. hear.) The description of the late battle given In the Timet stated that the large heavy shot from the land forts fell off from ih.< Mtrrimao like hail from n tin roof, and shot weighing 180 pounds were Bred by the Mouitor nt the Merrimao. when they were lying muzzle to muzzle. (Hear, hear.) [f that was the case, what could the forta dor lo be of any use they must have guns powerful enough to meet euoh ships, end if they had guns of such enormous magnitude Bring them would be like springing a mine within the wa'la. Jonea' angular targat of Iroa, four and a half inches thiok, re slated, at a distance of two hundred yards, the Armstrong bolt shot, weighing one hundred and ten poundg. What, than, ware they to dor Ho would read the advice given to the government of England by Mr. Ericsson himself, In hie letter to the Amerloan Naval Department, explaining hia reasons for calling his iron vessel the Monitor. The latter, aa it appeared in the Timet of that The Impregnable and aggressive character of thla structure will admonlah the leadera of the Southern rebellion that the liatterlea on the baaka of their rivers will no longer present barriera to the entranee of the Union forma. The iron-> ad Intruder wilt thua prove a true "Monitor*' to thoae lenders. But there are other leadera who will alao be alartled naa admonished by the booming of the guns from the impregtinble Iron turret. Downing street will hardly view with Indifference thla lent Yankee notion?thla "Monitor." To the Lords of the Admiralty the new craft will be a "Monitor," suggesting doubts as to the propriety of oompteting those four steelclad ships at three and a half millions apiece. On these and many similar grounds I propose to name the uew battery "Monitor." Ho trusted most alnoorely that that this vessel would prove a "Monitor" to tho Lords'of the Admiralty. (Hear, Hear). Whet wore thoouggeatlons that presented themselves from this letter? Shot of 180 pounds weight ." had do effect on the Monitor. (Hear.) Again* such ships fort* might at mil be armed with pop-gum and mpsirts at with the heaviest ordnanee at inresent used. (Hear, hear.)Porta might, perhaps, ho made Invulnerable by plating them with Iron- but of what use would thai bo? Iron skirt had only to pass the for's and toork their toill on the dockyards beyond them. (Hoar, hoar.) What tthey required wai iron ship/, not furtrateet?veaaola thai could go out and contend with euoh an nttneking enemy on equal torras. (Hear, hear.) Another suggestion from Mr. Ericsson's letter was that the whole character of naval war wm changed. Formerly this oonntry relied on the individual courage of ita seaman. When they had once boarded an enemy's deck it toat thought the hat'le was over. They could not board now; it tool a mere tradition of the pott Boeruing iue sloping uiuout miuu h vcwi uiuy Merrlmao would be like scrambling up the roorof ahouao. And when aa attempt was made to board the Monitor not a soul was to be seen (Bear, boar.) The bravest boarding party might now, by a >me new device, be met with a shower oT hot water and steam. (Hear, h-ar.) The recent event had solved the whole question of colonial fortifications. It was positively th owing away m ttev to spend it on forty/lrations in the co'onies. These Iron vessels, built in ninety days, and costing only ?00,000, had guns of such calibre that they were a most dangerous Invading force. Mo fortifications now constructing could beat them. But by building the same kind of vessels the colonies might defend IhemAelvc* with lees outlay. Our superiority on the American lakes would be very much endangered by this new class of vessels. It had always been said that though the Americans might overrun the border, yet in Quebec they would And a dlfOcult nut to erack; but elnco tho introduction of tboao destructive instruments of wsrfars ths case was vsry different. If the Warrior had met the Merrlmac it was a matter of grave doubt whether the angular sided vessel would not have overcame her vertical sided antagonist; but if the Warrior and the Monitor had mot UiTt wa$ hitt- douU thai the smaller vessel would have plunged her shot into the unprotected pans of the Warrior, and would, in fact, have overcome the pride of the Briti h navy. Again, how useless would the forUAcalions of Aldarney be before such vessels, (Hear, hear.) What could be the use of sponding raonny on forti Acations when a battery could come from Cherbourg, sail right in, and knock avcry ship in the harbor into luoifer matches without receiving the slightest damage? Cherbourg Itself was tba moat notable example of the folly of build ng these f .riideations He hoped the government would Dike this tremendous subject into their consideration. It inatead of gomg about like pottering old pointers, miffing qfur the traditions qf Blake and Bmbo'o.we accommdated ourselves to the facts vihich had met our rye, and m <deproper use of this salutary lesson, we might he able to diminish our expenditure?fhear, hear)?and to provide an impregnable line of defauce which all the Poweraof Kurope would uot be able to break through. (Heear. heir), Sir J. D. Hat said that whoa the Dorenee Commission Aral gave in tlieir report he was of opinion that the. lorts at Spithdad were absolutely nu<-?esary, but he had now chan/ed his vxewi?(hour, hear)?and ho wasoonAdeat that it would be better for the pubilo go >d if the lu uoy were spent in the cutstruolioa of vessels o* the now description for the defence of the port, hecau-e these ves sets could he madSof strong as forts, and a m>vabefo,-t must be much mora valuable th in a stationary lortiflcation. (Hear, brar.) Under thru# aire imsiauoes he agrood In that particular with the gallant mtiniliw for chvhau. bat thr o were i> one epeoul circurusUn-ea to which be hail alluded which ro'juire I ae;rie ?!ight e<;ileri*r.ioii. He did not quite sRrre with thehnurabie geuuern<n in Ail t he inference* which ha h vl drawn from the lata action and from the ex'Snmante winch had been rnado 11 refarsnoa to tha construction of iron fortilcations at.d ships , nor oould he quit" agree with ib < honorable m?rabor for Birkenhead in hie proposal tiu.t tha smaller chse of ships in the navy should ha constructed a defy of ir <n. It was absolutely necessary that tha light 4s geriptioB of vsae'ia snoutd be built of wood. heciuslli?v could not Otrry plates thick uough Tof Their proto r<?, thd tha jevrujtM whion woitfd take plats on tha thin Iron plates of r'esaota of this site would be much mora formidable than the aestruotloa produoad on wooden ah'ps of the SA'tia sira. Hot all the vessels which ware hi tight in war must not only be of consular able sim, hot of slwsilHc.eot to carry plates of cousilarable thickness, aa as to protect th*m from the flro of tlia enemy. There was no do;.bt that modern artillery bad arrived at auab petfeainn itot it wui positive mad nets to tend people on' Ut fitihl \<t snood n tm teli. If two ?e??elH mat armed with tha modern ordnanco, not pas but b th muat be de.troyeo, and no r-wolt would flow from auob an engagement Aa far aa wu knew it waa not pueaibla to oonatrucl sbipa solely of iron. It waa alieo hitely necessary to bhve s niothmg behind the Iron tc gojegt ths/mrst^iii^rn,jjjj fh|f) Air,r#p^ ipeuuiauia uao g'ua, it w ij certain that where the plataa ware eery rigid tha attaahmai ts or bolt* which fastened one to tha other wore ocrUm to break by the buuo'liwi'.u, auu w?? uiumi urn ury < I roDOV.U01 hipo of wood and iron eo.nbiued, which *<> for u fortuaate fur ua, bona iu the boil uae wo could make of oiir wooden thro* decker* wax to cut thorn dowa to their lower dock bsuin [date thorn with iron and cnver thorn with or many ?f Captain C-il-oo'cnpila obleMi aa thoy wuuld carry, f Hoar, boar ) One of there ohi|* lo out down and pla'ed, and provided with on or oi|ht ofjOiluos' ahlo'dt, would lootrof egh' or l?n line or ban o ship* ao iLer o .v oiloiod So far It wa- 01 value that wo tikd oacono nrd ih.t U.oro w;ij a p >tltlvo adTontago In boring tho wood to ecpport tho Iron, hecauae wo could avail euraelvo# of tho grout numhor of alnoii wo powaeeod whicS might bo contorted lato uauftil onginoo of war. tin approved largely of tbo auggooiiou of 'bo honorable member rr>," Blrkonboad, that tbo dock power end aorominndatioti at oi.y (jjflh'Ont naval outline obould ho aneeood, and tbo mouty Wi^iph woe to bo a,eat on building tho forta at dpitbotd migJit bo tnuoh more naefnlly employed at nermuda, Malta end eledwpero in building doeka to receive "or Iron aat-y. Wrh rerorenea to the noo.o.itv for etopikg ^bootd'ee of Imo ehlpo, it wtd certain tbol It woe ijUitu uroeot'ory te do oo, Tharo wae notbiag to fid gomed by eloping the eMee of o ahip, hecauoe by oo doing thei o mu?t bo a lorgor plat# to cover tbo some vortical area. There w?e tin doubt that ih* Iron wan hotter diapnoed la greater tln'.knpoo upright than If tho Mnie weight ware roiled nut to covei the oamo vortical area. II had hero tr od over arid oyer again Tho thicker 0 gmil irnu plat" waa, tho bolter it wao tor doieu e age. at the ffoi I nf |'ri> 111 ? an' a olrphuilder need not bo tronnno.lo't by ony donlre to ahor the form of hi* ahip hv a fa.sa i ina > obtaining ?i *p:.ig ion when ho WJiild got the ? . th ug by liIIi|r* rig h ? "hip In thato-ft form to perfoim he Mntr and plating hnr vertually (Moor, b?or I Mi * ih i . ?H i ho prop' j n am to tubal r to ro? tell fnr (nrt<. ao aa to hav a d"oi in every p >rt. 1? wa? not hit |v ivince to do oi i the vm ralty. but ti, i>1 he w til to U< "d Wi'b I' O rnoti" "lieu OJ Ihofn-ij jE sheet. I w r Fori* Were better than ehlye, and parlltO'Iarly at Porta a mouth, m there waa not a eugtotei.t depffc Of watar or veeeia carrying ??7 heavy gvna to neaimuyre ahout i-. Bi<itU.<ad Tnia c<watry wua fbremoet ta invention* .hut j tuo A Imr a ty aaemud aiwaye tha >ei to take a iy .aPtye I or thou# In veal Ions. He attributed it to there boior ao , o m out B a d to d?lde whit Jiia eate n< should be adopted aud what hnn.d out. (H mr ear.) t i. d a. 1 bmi-bxi buiti mat eu he Hat a** the Merrimac , a fbar worda voild nd be with >ut tigtore-<t. (H a \ hrt.r ) Ti-re wee * me mtaapprebenaHdl with rvgn. d t t h -r. atthoiiab rfbf vta-t u mout i> w-v<ig "oi, ?he waa a >t ealculaiad for anything but amo theater. Ow1 lug / tii?? ? i ?il , liu ? es put up u nor a). ? .v i* ' i I m real to that extent lha there waa notlfcn?r above i Wilei b t the dock lor he. gun porta. i'he uwtos ?' e 0v r.ert up at an arvjle of forty Ave. and at th> top waa a i open '-ar roolliug, me uonai luoaoe oi whioti waa that ai'ippuip a eea would certainly fink her. (Hear, h?a ) i it - r par ' to th Af<. itor, he'lh ugh the we attwnr /'I, b o u # -.he hi d iu*de a voyagt lu rou\ii woe ?r r ni New l ork loP>rt Monroe, but it WW no d apa agoiaeut to the gaiientry of the < fflcef am. ore* f the Me>riiuac lo eey tliaiehe waa on.y Ut tor river purpaa?, and that the aalioipatlua of her being abie to orosa the Atlantic waa not we 1 rounded. (Har, hear.) The li iiorab o member for Chatham waa red .'led tithe eralttud of the Houtefor ha fitly Urou-.ht forwuxl tHu tm po. :atd ifuaiim, and he aubuniiod that the tiue *aa ooiue when the government ahould riconsider the matter, and |iauaa ia the oonatruction ot coaly I ana lortree ea. which praottoal men were of opinion would not be no elhcaoious en those new iron vessels la defending our ouaata aad har'>or*. (i le.tr.) Sir O. 0. Lawi?Two quest long have been raised during thia debate. Oue has boon raiaod by the houora Me and gallaut member tor Chatham, of wliioh be gave notice?viz: whether the reeeot aotion on the oeuat of America baa givea tla goyeraaneat any reaaoo wby they ahould. atop tke aorta hi outran of ooaatru- Qua wear " roataaeouth. Aatotber, bnta neeob wider queniiua, ha* bean raia-d by my honoraMa ftidnd the membor tot OWway?whether, m etmwmineaee of that eng gemaai. ' wa -tlioahr not entirely Mter the whole ol araotw -ni <W to build nothing but Iran ships. it lui iMNWt fasted thatthe revotoMNrtsiog our naval iKiimm will lead to a (ml eowomy of vm pubiio mouey. 1 must venture to express my eplaioa that, from all ths oxperiauce wa have had?f revolutionizing our armaments, a new system of defence is MIcaly to lead not to a diminution, but to a groat iuorauaa of |>ul>llc expeuditure; aud that. In faot, nothing la to expensive as a systematic ohauge of armauie..ia on a (real acala. (('hears.) It may bo neooeaary, in ooMSSftKMOf of tho experience of the went engagement, to ma'.e a poet aange in our natal defmcet. 1 am not expressing .?uy opinion upon that S'lhjeot and its necessity, bt I warn the Ho go a. ainst entertaining ?ny expeotalion t at that change can be maJe aherwite than by a oorre<i'>ndinq large ho ifice of public m*mey. (Cheese.) I think It will be mora convenient to tha House not to onto' into that targe discussion at tha present moment. (Hear, hear.) It la, In faot, a question mainly affoctin tho naval estimates. If the Hiuae be of optulou th. t this revolution 1* to bo eitecu-d I anprehen i it will proitably be the duty of my uobla friend sitting near ma (Lord t;. I aget) to propose a supplemuniary estimate 01 gome ?10,000,000 or ?16.000,000 ($7h,000 000). (Laugh tar.) lhat wi'l be the practical remit of tu nanat revolu n'on winch k<u Icon skec'eJ. But I aba'aiu enti a y from entering upon that part of the question. I m-Teiy w ah t" advert to tha question of wnich the hoe isbie aud gai hint member for Chatham gave notion. Tho question which lie submitted to the House is identical wiih oou which was brought under the notice o. the Defence Com mission by Lord Herbert on the lsth of Fohrua y? lodl, and ui?ii which that oom miss ion made aoareiul report Thequusti'-n referred to tlniu was, "the loaaible sub atltutiou of iron-cased ships la oertala localities for such of lbs jiermaaent defence'* as oan bo constructed only at lerge cost, and oanuot la all pro>abili.y be oompleted for a I ug time." Ti>a' u igge.-tion had partio .for refe rouoo to Portsmouth sad the Isle of Wight. The Defooos Commission, compos.*! of professional military men? engineers?reportod|their opinion In the following manner:? L We adhere with the utmost conGdenes to the opielon we formerly eiDfeesed as te the necessity for the forts for the promotion or Hplthead, more especially as regards the two outer works on No-Man's Land and Horse Sand, which give f rotemoa to the anchoiage aa a harbor of refuse tor an tuerior forte of our own fleet, and far merchant vessels, which the 'Spit' and 'Intermediate' forts cannot alTord. owing to the depth of water near them being Insufficient for anchoring purposes These two outer defences also command the space more effectually which might be occupied for the purpose Of borabardm- ni, and would take in rt ver-e auy ships which had succeeded In forcing the passage. Tne work on Ihs H tar bridge la, in our opiuion, only second in Importance to the two just mentioned. It completes tne circle of defenoes whtoh will afford a concentrated lire oa the anchorage, provides a second llae against au suemy atfempUug the passage of the Solent, aud gives shelter to floating Ue/eocer which might have been obliged to retlrs before a superior force cither from the outer entrance to Spl(heads or front t he defense of the passage of the Needles. There are wus further remarks, and they say:? 1. WtfbmUrr the mtosif tchemc o/rf^rnse by fort i and aaxiHart iron-rated nettsfs fa he Ms onlg frartieatle mode of rgertinn the object (n virw. S. We are of opinion that no time should ba lost in commencing the forts, ant in constructing as many iron-cased vessels as are essentially necessary for the above purpose. The report of the Defence Commission amounted substantially to this:?That the best piaa for the defence o> Portsmouth u>a<a combined tydrm of forti and iron-cat I ship?. They did not rely on one or the other, but on a combination ef both. The question is, bow much that system ought to be modified in consequence of the eipe rience derived from subsequent events. (Hear, hear.) The honorable raomber for Ualway seems to think that the recent aotion points to a revolution in the art of naval warfare. I do not myself presume to speak with authority on the question. I merely judge from tho reports which I receive from thc.se whe have professionally and technically studied the subject. The Information whioh I have lately obtained leads me to the conclusion that, In the opinion of the most experienced persons, the engagement In question throws little light upon the qualities of Iron-clad vessels. I will state what I myselfaaw. A model of the side of the Warrior was set up at Sboeburyness, and mads the subjoct of experiments in order to test it* resistance to vary heavy ordnance at a very moderate distance. The result was, that scarcely any effect was produced on the plates. (Hear, hear.) In that Instance we had as complete proo: of the qualities of iron clad vessels as was afforded In the reocnt aotion. There is no doubt that the M-rrimac is Dot ? 111 going v?K?Pl. iuo niHiiiw , nugm ome distance out to so*. Of course wo must oot aasuioo that an attack on our coaat, ir ever it tako place, will bo made simply by wooden veoaels, oror which our Iron vessels might have an easy victory. IF* nwi cx/ect to tee iron oppotod to iron. Tho quoation becomes whether, by the improvement of artillery, forte might no'. be enabled to main'ain the. tame advantage over floating batteries which they have hitherto petto-ed It is a maxim, I apprehend, in aaval warfare, that all floating batteries are inferior to those on land. I am assured that tho effect of the recent oxperimenta with Ifon cased vessels will only be lo stimulate the inventive powers of our engineers in the ef fort to jiroduce tome ordnance which will be fore.ble emui.h to tmath the bidet of the iron clad ships, and I hope thru u-ill not be long in a< hieving thai r tul'- (A laugh, and "Hear, hoar.'') That is the problem which ihe military engineer has to aolve, and he may consider it a triumph in his art If ha contrives a gun which thus# eh.pi w Inch are now invulnerable to artillery will not be able to resist. (Hear.) There ta nothing unreaaonable in the ambition which encourages him in that aim. (Hear.) We have grounds, then, tor holding that a complete revolution in the aet 01 war will not be effected, but that tn a few years the disproportion which is now said to exist in point of Ntrongtb bttwoen floating and (lied batteries will disappear. (Hear, hear.) l observe that the honorable member for Hirlcen head, at a meeting over which he p osi led lately, rea I a lattor from a corrosp'mdent tu Now York, who said:?* 'The euccosa of the RndntM gun baa luducrdotir government to try exporimenia on a ac do still la gar, end tbey are about constr "itlng guns of twenty inch bife, throwing shit of 1,000 lbs., which, it is thought,'will crush In Ibesida of any iron plate I ship, no mv for whit the thicknoasof the plate-" Thin xh nvs that ihobelief tu the progress of artillery Is not confined to this country. (Hear.) I am fully aware of tha importance of this tueeiien, and of the necessity for our adopting those etpedienU which are suggested by recent experience. We must,however, beware of taking a precipitate step. (Hear, hear.) Tha government ought to be guldod by sjieiitifli; advico, aiven on mature consideration, ami ought pot Id ru?li Into s series of c wtly changes The iubicet will raosivs the csroiul attention of the govern moiit but 1 cannot h >ld out any hope thflt the construe tion of forts 7>r"wTiicn contracTi Ti^v# Tnen entered Into, and which are already in progress, wit! b ubandoaed. Mr IlK'ijm?I think the Fp-ech of the right honorable gentloman will not be deemed nrvy mtssiactory by th House. (Hear, bear.) He was modest enough to bay that he did not hold himself to be an authority on a qucs. Hon of this kind; hut I must say the racu ho quoted did not appear to bo tnuoh to tho imtnt The repor t of the ??0 .......... ... ... - .. and canuot, therefore, refer to au event wbioh beptienod about a fortnight aiuce. (Ilesr.i The right nonorable i gentleman liw therefore sa.d really nothing to the propo i anion of th* honorable member for I hatham. (Uear.) I agree Willi the right honorable gent.sman in hi* com maul* on th? romarlts of th? honorable member for Qalway On the occurrence or a amgla 9rant m| m 1 recent action. howOTSf important?*"* - * ,,.^70/1"- " *" mi?t ~.sy sitip>d who d >ts vof' it? i'i tV'ljAiffcrKV?! a 1 laugh;?It would, I ibfuk, he vary unfortunate If tb* 1 government at one* adopted th* aclieina of naval recnu 1 atructton which la vary much lavored by tba right I honorabl# member for Droitwinh. (Hear.) Nothing could b* more softly or oalimltoue to tba country than that w* should have such sweeping mea auras carried out by aspiring loids of tb* Admiralty every bilf a damn years. rho quottlon which has been raised Is very simple, and tb* govarninaut ought not l" be allowed to escape from it without a delimit* statement to in* House. (Hear, hear.) Tb* question Is, whether lb* beltanes which we are about to erect at a vaat coat In th* neighborhood of Portsmouth harbor are capable of restating lb* entrance of Iron-plated veeeela. euoh a* tba Monitor. The otbar quaetloss, whethar there is any danger of Invasion, whether any forMSoation* are required, and whether we MJI C*t liMia manned, ere nut discussed now. they remain Just whnr* we left them , but, as far aa I san learn frem their ronvereatloa, th'.*-who voted for lbs fortifications two years ago are generally vary much aahamed or that vote. (Itbar, hoar.) what ws have to SoMlder I*} whether, heedloaa of tb* proofs which are being given of what iron plated ships can do, wa are to go on spending os fortification*? I tin air.Id to aay how much, and Indeed, the uitlrseie 00*1 was sever vory clearly set be or# the Ho is# I ag.ee with tb# right hot), rabi* genii-man that nothing IS y> ho **# issed ae absolutely 0 .ncaided by what b*s lal?" l"*c' ,n lh# dam* river. but the pruhabm v f that lometuing baa been cob i oiudod. i do out require to ho a gre.t naval authority to proouiinoo tt a very ?erio .s event, asi I 1 think the H- us* may Talrly cal. up n the government el any rele tosjapnn I those works, which are costing many hundred thousand poti'<d*,lu the locality I havu m?a'ion*d,a .d which wl,I Involve tn outiay 01 mllll ns, if inolude all tbo foril.lcatto i? which we were inv tied to sa -llo'i two year* ago (." iesr. b 'ar.J .Some honor ahie memberebar# nn idea lust in tiny n to be dug out Sionew ore, end that nobody la eny lii? |KH?rer when It is oi l out of lb ix hoquer for sou 1 mints b it thi ful ?, tbtU mmsiimip h> ? 1'.soin '??/* no ops for it. fmr I o tn'c mf 'i tui/ lil'l f-r it* -r/i-ndifi/r;, ! 1 'it 1 11 'bum in, n:.. .1 0 ttistn?>fp. nut ,*f - ? " ' - '* fert for the ict o'i^ (Hear.h ?r.l Kvn th- mod dHen m n ' tfmin-tf at .'*> " a?e ??tnd ?* Ik 4 U* >? e $uy m ?n>i'ng>kal money i?f ** *?*. ?< U~4t, 6?n r * ? " / Itrt/r eett r?*<. # >7 w? "> 'v o ?'I rn the Htan Ccl r 4 the Rxchev"*' *ho K0,n<,*',n* upbia'dji tl* Ho m for lis |ir .ifU ;sto erpemdlture, to eufticrt -do t.ro p'wiii n "f th< 1 oiftf?lhf member for Clia hum in H't I u* ona in t Cabinet* 1 Mdwatand that ibe r<-?e 0 e rei rua, O'QOeruina taMe.11 *'1 * 1 hear aom-thing on i'lmraduy. will ukmol wt *nc* tn-re furo hit 1 on, or rather not . u...***'*'"* J* ***1 Pernoia h J exacted; but I c*> i?Ji"? t?* j?" "* **> Juaj< iug from the at ? o things in trW """" !* r.iiguind, t mre is a very high prubaoiirtj lha during the next at* inn 1 ha or ye * r t ii ? w i I h tvoi jvvl" " off in tha venue, and very groat eu. *,u"ng tha wo. ki 'gout:, -ma , alv ,u...o, a low ^"Uil- u m . on siii'eraigti u a# know 'nil} thing of, b ca.,u*# !l J? " su sileotiy *n<f keroi ally. (11 jar, bear.) l,u* ' th i**<V'l# ooin'>hai!i. It thoy are ' distress i ,rom ?* ft ill f their owir, the more careful'/ ouch: I '"1'T1 oi"'it and bi lio iMT t<? watch tliat no a simile farming of Uiiuno iay whioii ib exlrac.edfrom them la ox, fc w irts w.i.ou havo been attown by n e f the gr.v.t ***" t ri'ija in the im i try, ihe hon>> able memtier for *. ' h iiu, to bo utinrcewary. (H ar,h ar.> I think wo -r ' tit ad o ask the kov' one t not to commit th <m elve a ylhin,' further in this roepect, and to abstain .root * voTvi f the country in a fttrtber expenditure. We ma, * be sure that belore long w shall receive from the othai a da of the Atlanlio the reports of -cieiurtio men, and more omnpete iiifi rmation with ro.;a:d to Ihla matter Without going into tli? luostv-.u or tbs great .evolution which, I agree wlh the honorable metaber (or Gal way. h inevitable, but which Is not, porha,?,. so fa* p oved at to mtlty a groat chnge of jtolloy, we may call upon the government to sus;.eud prooee uugs, and thus ears m the ooi.ntry at least a million of the outlay to which we auaa nitted ourealroe s? hastily. (Hear, hear.) Cap*. Jksj* ara-iglad to gather from the snacah of the right honorable goa.tamaa that tine government hah aat been frlgh't?s4 out of their wita by the ..otion oa the e hh siito k* Atlantic. (Hear,h.*r.) Theie.il luee in*. however. was?what eras fhn' mu of eolid fori flea Uoee hiiilt la. the water if y?n tmltikane an e&uMy ?lul f*Hffl eati ? w\?c* yes ambi mam a/kmt at niu, and tuhik ov&4 nm ftui i t forir u' (rise .hoar.) TUr* could be ne <oe?-Ktr?*e? between the two. Two yuaiw ago the honorable and gallant member for Chatham voted for tbaeraatiaa < : the-*# Spit head forts; the member for Wakeileld wroee and spoke for them; he himself voted for that measare but iubeequeat investigation had shown that it was aa absurd mistake. They bad oome forward and aclcnow lodged their error, and he hoped that the right honorable baronet the .-secretary of State for War we Id reconsider .ho matter, ai.d sua whether the change or oircumet.noe# did not render it necessary that the erection or these tortiQoatious should t'C st tipad. Mr. R. Os orsk?I whs la hopes, sf er the numerous and (tisUagUl ed in t .ucee of cuuveis.on te a couvtcU a the iion uocea ity 01 these forts which w,. have he.. i tonight, thai we should have heard also of that M her Ma.esty's gov. mm nt. (Hear, hea .) I have been very m ch diss. pointed at the speech o the Secretary ofSteM S fO' War because, 11 we ar# to understand a y.iihig fruat t iai speech, It must bs that her M.<js*iy s govei am. n are ( a'weii ; i iihIi ii. .. lbs enormous eipeipiitiae in spueM the evidence or the events which have occur e l in Hemp ton it .ads. I t.iink ti.at my honorahls friend the meinb. for Bom: gham hi b -u unnoceas-ily hai d upon th? right bon >r*ble baro.. i the won ber 1'. r ' roiiwich oeo se there can be no d. ui.t ibat ihit right honorable gs itl. man was he ilrst to draw the at'eation of the ooun try to the d. fectlve state "f our navy, nnd he ought not to be tauoteu with wiiat was in facut a groat merit on In 'art. (Heir hear.) It has bean said that the Admiralty are opposed to all change, but it was the Admiralty oi ta.it d y that prouosed those very iloatmg batteries. It wn< my late lamented friend Admiral M It. Dundee, then First Sea Lord, who brought 11wward this very echume, and proceed to convert twenty ueole-s lino of battle ships into floating batturtss to defend Tortsmortb and othor harbors, at a cost hot exceeding ?840,000, instead or erecting enormous forts vhloh will oosi considerably more then a million sad hslf. That proposal was negatived by the engines!*, who thought there was nothing tike stone and mo, tar for building, and therefore I do not think that the Admiralty are one a to the insinuation that they not themselves against this l-n. rovume it. From the speech made by the Secretary of State for War. wo se.-m to be going blin lly oa, throwing these millions of money Into Soithoad, without knowing exaotly either what is to be the cost of tho Torts or wnat Is to be tuoii ti8u wltun they u:e i uilt. Ha lias spoken ratliet si ghtlngly of this great and bloody experiment which Lai t een u.a ,e in Han p'-.u H-ada. But what is theevidsoot of th? doctor > he w>a oa ooard tho Congress? It is moat uonciuaira. Hs says that as soon as the Merrimao, or? as I beiieve sue u n veiled, the Virginia, got within r*jigo"weopned lire on iier, Wo might as wen hart t re it a or ving ceosrg. The shot qlanced off her Iran * site.ithlng like halftones ol( a tin roof. e e Nearly nil the kuus were dismounted, the bulkhe da blown to piecen, rammers and handspikes shivered, the powder l eys all killed." If. this is not evidence, with what est* d uoew.il ihe right honorable gentleman bo oontentl Wh ther It be evidence or not, I think that the House Is juatlAel in oalling upon her Majesty's government la ana* ootid?(haar, hear)?it least to suspend?these extensire opuratlons, which tre likely hot only to be moat an* pensiye, but most unnecessary. 1 do not tbink that Jon* tics has been done to Captain C-owper Coles. His plan was brought forward last year, and on that oocaaion I think that It wag very muoh discouraged by tho noMa lord tho Secretary of the Admiralty. Lord C. I'aout?No, no. Mr. Ojbor**? At any rate, no ship has boen built on that plan. Loi d C. Pads*?There m a ihio ne o building on Okat yl-n. Mr. OsBORifs?I am very glad to hear it. What doee i?i.uiu Cole> offer r He says that he will for a small gnus of money convert ltne-ftf-battle ships which are lying idio into shield ships, which may form a coast patrol to dor<<nd your harbors. 1 am glad that this disousslon has talceu place, but I think it will be totally useless if we? nit only the converts, but the thirty nine artloleo, of whom 1 hap; on to bo one, who originally voted agal.mt this outlay?If tho H >ua# d?eo not lu-dst upon her Majesty's government n<4 tyen&ing another thilling vpom tie. forts until we are in a p^sition to know hat they wiO be able to hold their met against the monsters of the (Usp which are now Aetna cuns'nuitd. <Hear. hear. 1 Sir .1. h?i? .m*?The question which wm raise# very ably and clearly by my honorablo frieed the member for Chatham is a qucstloa of extreme importance, but It is not an Admiralty questioh. I entirely agree with the Secretary of State for War that It wou d not he wise for us, in the transits state in which we now are, to be carried away er have our Miry effected by every report that may oosae across the Atlantic; but, on the other hand, It is impeesibie t > deny that the clroumatances of the actiea In Jatnee river have been tn>st remarkable, and are oioeeiy connected with the opinion whtoh has boen through ut expressed by that high authority Captain Co.ee, that the erection of thesj torts would not be the best mods of defending Splthend. I canuet but axpreee my regret at the language we have heard from the Seoretary of ^tate lor tVar, and from uhirh / pat at thai her Majesty't government are di posed to att-ieh no >' tight at all to tkie o runen-r. but to v .u r- at all ha.ardt, withou any delay, and with ml any f-trthir conti le -ai-nor r^flec ion. Is li-n-llhi'U' ge su i 01 mim'V pon the const iu U< ft ef their furl* (Hear, hear.) The queetion isuvo.y dill- ' iu,n one. nut in* imnresaiou ma 10 upon 1117 mma 117 um intelligence from Auu-rica is s ion tb.it, considering lh? great expense involved and tha doubtful |io<ic/ of constructing tba-ia forts, 1 wish the government had intl> mated more clearly than he rigut honorable gentleman has dono tuat they war ' d.e.rasod to consider anxlousig what la the real tendency of that Intelligence before tbey determine to persevere with those works. (Hear, hear. I Lord C. PiOKT? I must say that 1 think my right bono*, ahle friend the meinour for D oilwich hv muled tbo House as to what was said by tba Secretary < ( State for War. What be sold, aa i understood him, waa?and with 1 that I entirely conc .r?that important aa is the event wh oh recently ocr irrad on the other side of tk" Atiaa tlo. it sb ova lotting so de -Mod as to the merits of I raw1 c urif .veseelp of whio'i wa wore previously tguoiant at | to bliga tbo government aud lenly to a?t aside a plan ' which line barn adopted a ter the matiirest and gravest deliberation. Important as tbla acl.on baa boeu, what,} | a k the II.'uso, h*. really boon taugb; us by ltf Wa Uase known lor s one lima thit vessels cuid with armor of i * certain thtcknns would re-oat tiie projectiles which are known In the preseut day. Wa have boeu going through very csretul experiments at ohooburynees, and waknaw hut irucund sLips ware very much supen-t to wooden ones. What baa bean tba raauit I >Ciiy, tb.it we have ceased to build la.ge wooden ships and bar# taken to building IronciHi-d ones. Whit other things do we learn from thia action? That an iron cased abip can, wh.it is termed "give the ateiii" to a wooden ehlp and out her d.-wa, b it It did not require this action to prove that. Wa bars kaown that for a long time, aud hava constructad all our iron cased ships wi ha view ?. Tbe bonorable and gai I ant member for Cliatham shakes bis hsad, but 1 aaaurs bim that every irou castd ship, beginning with thechi.d of my right honorable fi lend the member [or Ifroitwioh, the Warrior, hut beeu so coustructad, by strenglboni.,g ,ha atetu and tba line* and otber arrangements, aa ve ..nable bor, If necessary, to run dowu bsr snowy. 9a ,h?, ...1... - >r.<Jk old r*s**|* stMitg en gb If ' . vdA"V ?t "'*7!?iMn 7acl 4dv*ad ?od?-k-f^ J PuSiMown othtfs, wi v w ? ? ws have been Soldi f?r the last three yeare. With rsgard I to thesd foits, J oan^aseure the House that there is ne intention of *>rluginj J?rwarti a suppi mentary estimate thi* year. 8'md honoring gentlemen wo.,la load lb? Houm to believe thai the f vera^""1 *r* going train* dlately to bring In a a .ppleineatary Mtin*.^ l?n m?lion pounds ( Vo I Wo j") What Is ttt? iiropf.gai ti'. tt>? honorable member for Birkenhead? He telle ua tilfT putting aaiue our wooden vessel*, we ought to Construe! 1 a great mate of iron ships, and build docka in all perta or the world for them. ("No I") How or. w to ImiiA do~kt all along tkt Amman roatti, at lA' Pvjot hlandt ("oh! ohl") undo'hor on'lam l ih i/uarttrt T Mr. Lamp?/ fid dittincUy at our for< ijn ttati.ru is difertnf fart* of fV toot Id. (H -ar, bear. I 1/>rd C. I'sner?The suggestion te nsedleea, for at meet of our ooloniat station* there are already dock* belonging either to private me.chants or to the govei anient. Be cause we have heard of the eitraordtnary sue,.ess of h ue ship* on lb.* occasion, art. wa to recoaetruot the wh le navy of Kngland and to gles up b illdir.g email we idea vessels for distant aervioef I maintain that, at at! events, the tiuie baa not yet come to do so. With regard to Splthead, naval men naturally preier ships to forte, but in war time merchants' ships running ?p and down Channel will continually seek refuge in that very beet of Channel harbors, ami I want 10 know eh, l bet you are to keep a large (tret of Iron oaae.l ships looked up between the [el* of Wight an i I'm tsmmtii, simply with a view of g ardlng the nierchanl navy f (Hear, hear.) I can quite believe that you will require to have Iron shl|? as a.lju.iois to the forts, but 1 maiutala thai'.nothing which oa< taken pi o? iiomss the Atlantic in any way alters Disposition of the qiieein. 1*1 it be remembered that, a? regards uln, a, iliuis m st bs s limit?I do not iay we have arrived at it >< t?to the sire of the gun and the thioanesi of ill plati which they tail carry. H it in a fort ih-re le no limit. (Heir, b ar.) f we can conatiuot a gun to tan y hot of on* tli toi,i pounds weight, we can inn u I it ou ? < rt it w- cas make Iron pl it.es, aye, of Ave iiiii.m the ruseni thinknans, they can be put o.i a lort. With u . flu rehire inn lug Into the queen n ol h v? far H may h reafisi be tit .* duly oi go.'iiruuioni to uodlfy ..he plan f, 11.? de folic- oi the P" I of nplth > id, toe e w be no doubt th-t forte inoat ever be mro. gor than shine Soinu bnuorabl*

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