Newspaper of The New York Herald, May 6, 1873, Page 7

Newspaper of The New York Herald dated May 6, 1873 Page 7
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THE CITY LOTTERY CRM. First Turn of the Wheel and Its Results. Mayor Havemeyer's First Nominations Under the New Charter. DISGUST AND DISMAY. "Names Submitted for Health and Tax Commissioners and Alderman to Fill Vacancy. THE CITY FATHERS "PLAYING OFT." They Lay on the T&blc the Nominations and Some of Them Talk Ugly Afterwards. THE SWARM OF OFFICE-SEEKERS Mayor Ilnvemeyer Not Surprised by tlie Aldermonic Attitude. The excitement which has been fermenting apd seething around the City ilali for ttie pant two weeks culminated yesterday, when it was under stood that Mayor llavemeyer would decidedly make his long discussed and long waited for appoint ments. The early morning brought a crowd of persons downxto Mayor Ilavemeyer's office. They were met with the unwelcomft news that the Mayor was not in. Momentarily the crowd in creased, and in snch proportions that only the very distinguished (as that word is understood in local politics) were admitted to the office at all. The smaller people, attended by their familiars and in timates, spread around the corridors, down the broad steps, into the Park. THE TAO, RAO AND BOBTATI* The regular riff raff congregated still farther out and watted humbly that the next in (trade should give them the honor or a nod or the Inexpressible Joy of a "shake." It rnuat be confessed, 11 truth Is to prevail, that this crowd, taken all In all, was not a whit better than the old rough and tumble crowds who, In the gilded days of Tammany, did precisely the same Mlcawbcrisn work of waiting for for something to turn np. Indeed many of the the samo veteran laces, Just as lean and as hungry, Just as anxious and expectant, Just as obsequious and as humble, could be recognized In the erowd, while many of their old bosses and leaders, a whit less sleek and bejew elled, perhaps, than In the old days when they waited upon Ilia Honor Mayor Dall or Mr. William M. Tweed, were now dancing attendance in the antechambers of Mayor Ilavemeyer. Not only had the class not changed, but In many cases the faces were present, not as bold nor as defiant, but still there. What wouderful evolutions they have since performed, what very small holes they have crawled through, is only known to themselves, Beaven knows; but there ihey were, as familiar as ever and with the selfsame wants. What particular object brought certainly forty nine out of each fifty of these gentlemen around City Hall yesterday morning must remain forever a mystery. It was as certain as fate itself that there was nothing in store for them. But then they knew best. Like the stone which ricochets over ihe water, an appointment might strike them on the fourtli or fifth bound and benefits indirectly accrue to them. It is the old story of WHEELS WITHIN WnBELS until the smallest man in the crowd probably felt some distant interest in the appointments. Alii ??Appointments'' that was the big word in every body'smouth. Who were the cotningmen? Was Dill this or Tom that to "get a show?" Was the Mayor going to "shake the old gang" or "do the square thing" by them? Wasn't Alder man X. "putting up a Job" on the whole crowd ? Would the others "drop If the house tumbled," and many other such mysterious quo tations from a dictionary not, perhaps, as familiar to the general public as to pothouse politicians, all Jumbled up with such a particular disregard for the Queen's English and such an utter abhorronce of plain language that any but a strong man's heart would have quailed before such an avalanche of slang. They sat on the steps, leaned up against the walls, lounged about listlessly,did all- things but go away. There was an evident determination in all their attltndlnlzatlons to see the thing out and ro wait for the Mayor if it took all day. At about twelve o'clock the wagon arrived. The Old gentleman walked up tho corridor with a quick step, only nodding to two or three, and passed Into his private office bcroro any one had bad a chance to "buttonhole" him. Once in the orflce the Mavor is as Impregnable as In a bastile, and cards fly in like hailstones, with out even the satisfaction of coming out answered. There were some persons whom the Mayor did not object to see; among these wero Attorney General Barlow. His Interview with the Mayor was entirely relating to the matter of legislating Mr. Have ?e,,CI!.<?nt ?.f.orace, and some legal talk was in oultfcd In. Mr. Thomas C. Stewart also called, but only remained a lew moments. General Cochrane was closeted with his Honor a few mouieutd. The rumor had spread through the crowd that THE MAYOR HAP ARRIVED tn,0.r? w*iS " gonoral riiHfi to the office to see ?????.?_!?}at ^ tJoor t!l?y *erc met and even ?AirLfof ,n. fho usllC1' contented him itiS*' Mayor is eugugedand cannot tee you. This was mcaut as a general hint and was so understood by the crowd, which murmured and grumbled, but could do nothing more effective. Hepulsed, they still entrenched themselves in the fading to the place an inside view of i!?!LTa9 ,0 I,,ucl1 desired. There were all kinds TeJf' v|,,crm,>n- ?-AB?embl.viueti, Sf'ai jmSS?'J?"*,"j|9tau,t Aldermen, ex deputies Beekers hi a,tu,1lou,t'rs' a? chronic office BceKertf, ny trie cartload, tho whole rcnrvHentifiir i very vast amount of former power, out iu itself T y nugatory in influence at preseut, Thev fretted and fumed, perhaps lor tint ? momentof their old time p.>pularlt'y or mfluemL In many of their cases never to come +h? motley assemblage was comprised of tuan'v ele ments. which inlugied in one common misfortune Now that the Mayor had arrive.! and would ue Cldedly not be seen all the attention was coucen tratedon the coming meeting of the Board of Aldermen. It was supposed that Mayor Havn mcyor would make all his appointments in the afternoon and considerable curiosity existed to know what would be done with tho Police Hoard And that of charities and Correction, it was thought that at ail events in other respects the ap pointments by the Mayor would be satisfactory I As the result shows this expectation wus disabl v pointed ami * MATTERS TrRNBD'OCT VERY IHFPKKKNTLr. To each gentleman who would come irom tho f?**01'8 office tho qnestion would be propounded, > "Bat about them appointmeats?'" aud all the in formation that could lie elicited was that the !o?0r. Jl*ve them ready by half-past three p clock, and that they would nude public before being submitted to the Lioard of Aldermen. fart that patiencc was a virtue was then ex emplified, ana the hands of the City nail clock seemed to move unaccountably slow to the two or hundred who were waiting about for the F.T {*?nr *? coinp* Hut It did come at last, anil Aldermen to tnetr seats in the Hoard. tr?.?e~cVrtoua Phenomenon was exemplified of ?ot lnt0 a rnora wt?c" by any pos S mrter n?u'LDot SoaUlu more than a beeamn L #in ,nuTT1,,cr- Thn" "10 C0rrl<l0r with fffeaf^iim^ f. w,th P^'P'0 that it was MtHSS2 Th? '?evcn ttlc atc Aldermen could '/.? tonnJi iL.Jw nport ?r tfie meotlng itself will 9'itiona wsr!e the "PPomtments or noml m th* crowi WhJ"feir? ft ?"n(,r!?! of re nressVf in whTf nn- i It meant seemed to be ex &erai n renorter ? ..i?arT "Rrc:e pe"nn sal'> t0 f"e ? i ^ ? "a<' ennngli; but. the? ain't 1 WUh !2? That'? somethfug '' With the Aldermen themselves the siirns oi dta latlsfactlon and dtsgnst were very evident Thar .D*?^nations of the liayor was almost Immediately made evident hv Ihe laying ot tnem over. Hut after the mening was over a H?raij> reporter went among tl.em ind here and there caught, a glimpse of the natnre n uii fit tyfl men, whom tbe reporter questioned in a general I way, ABOUT TUB NOMINATIONS and tbe canse of tbe dissatisfaction, said very testily: "Why, do jon tblnk we are going to confirm such appointments aB these? This appointing a man in tbe placc of Alderman Gifctey, I think, is an imperti nence, when vou consider that there Is at present a bill pending in the Legislature, giving tbe Alder men themselves tbe power or tilling vacancies in their midst. Why couldn't the Mayor wait to see what would become ol that bill before he Bent in a name to us." ??Doyou know anything about Mr. Claussen?" "No, he la a nobody?a lager bier brewer. I don't know that he ever distinguished himself In any thing In his life. I have nothing to say against the man but that he doesn't deserve the place, lie never did anything for it. The Board won't con llrin him.'' ??Who else is the Board dissatisfied with V "Well, the sending in of the name of John Wheeler for President of the Hoard of Tax Com missioners. Why, when Tweed was giving up his position to Van Nort Wheeler proposed to let all Tweed's men remain In, not one to be disturbed, and that TWEED COl'Ln DICTATE TO HIM what he should do If he would only let liiin have the place, fie has been crazy tor an office for years, and would do anything to get me; he's not the man to suit us. 1 tion't believe the Hoard could be induced to confirm him. If the Mayor expects that such appointments as these are going to do us he's been misled. The fact taut Wlieeler ih a Committee of Seventy man is what has caused his appoint ment. Wo want to see men of stamina nomi nated." Another Alderman said "The Mayor seems to consider us a set of nin compoops when he sends us such appointments as these. The Mayor is going It strongly, but ho won't succeed. We are the creative power; ho enly suggests; and we shall stick it out as long as he can." "what do vou think you will do with the objec tionable names v Will there be a deadlufck !" ??Oh, no. There won't be any deadlock in this Beard. We shall not simply table the names of tUe meu wo dou't like; WE HI!AI.L REJECT Til EM. If the Mayor wants war he can have war, and we shall follow his lead." Another Alderman, who appeared very friendly to the table, said he supposed the tabling of the names meant that the Hoard didn't like them. Altogether the dissatisfaction and the excitement were of a very lively character, and no one. even the Mayor's beBt wisher, could mil to perceive that the Aldermen were quite united on one point that. these names should not be passed by them. Subsequently Alderman Monhcimer was closeted some time with the Mayor, and 8. Stern called later and took up the Mayor's time for two hours or so. Ills-object Is understood to be to get t he nomination as one of the Commissioners of Chari ties and Correction. The Mayor Is not decided whether to give it to him or not. Mr. Ilave meycr received the news or the treatment of his nominations with equanimity, tint made no re marks publicly about it. In the Mayor's Office various groan* congregated and discussed matters alter the adjournment of the Hoard, and tbe con clusion was that things looked rather blue. The mayor's Meawge to the municipal Council?Its Effect and What Wan Done with It?The Tabling Process. The Board of Aldermen met lu the morning much as usual, all the members being present. The lob bies were crowded to their utmost capacity by idlers, who expected the nominations of the Mayor would be sent Id. The following letter from him was received Mayor's One?, Nfw Your, MavB, 1873. To THE UONOIiABI.U TUG BoAUl) Of ALDUBSK.N OIf TUB ClTY ar Nkw York :? In pursuance or the provisions of nn act entitled "An aci to reorganize the local government of the city of New Yorfc," passed the .10th day of April, 187.-1, I hereby nomi nate to. iiiid, subject to the conscut of the Hoard of Alder men, appoint John Wheeler a Commissioner and President of the Department of Taxes awl Assessments, to hold said olHce for the term of six years, to wit, untli the 1st day of May, which will he in the year 1879; also, Ueorge II. Andrews, a Commissioner of said Department of Taxes and Assessments, to hold said office for the teriu of lour vear, to wit, until the 1st of May?lM77; and Severn D. Moultun a Commissioner of said Department, for two years, until May 1,1875. J WILLIAM F. HAVEMEYER. Alderman Flanioan moved that the nominations oe laid over and ptlnted. Alderman Van Schaick moved, In amendment, to rcler them to a committeo of Ave to investigate their fitness. lie subsequently withdrew his amendment, nnd the nominations were laid over to be printed by the following vote Yk as?Messrs. Cooper, Falconer, Flanlgau, Kehr, Kucli, Lysaght, Ottcndoricr nnd Kollly. Kays? President Vance, Messrs. Rlllings, Monhciraer, Morris, Van Schaick and McCatlerty. The Mayor sent In the name of nenrv Clausen as Alderman, to fill the vacancy caused by the death of Peter Ullsey. This nomination was also laid over. The Mayor, in a letter similar to above, nomi nated the following for Health Commissioners:? l)r. Charles P. Chandler for the long term, Dr. Stephen Smith lor the short term. The confirmation of the above was laid over by a vote of 2 to 11, Messrs. Monhelmer and Morris cast ing the negative votes. Mr. Billings, lrom the Committee on Arts and Sciences, reported upon the request of Mr. Bergh to have a dog asylum erected, and made a humorous report upon the effects of carbolic gas, replete with puns that produced some merriment and caused Alderman MeCafferty at the close of the reading to take the floor and dramatically recite .the nursery rb.vme commencing "Let dogs de light." He moved the discharge of the committee. The committee was discharged; and this is, prob ably, the last of the dog asylum movement. Mr. Morius moved to take from the table the names oi the Tax Commissioners and vote upon them now. It was ruled out of order. The Board adjourned until Thursday, at half-past three P. M. Mayor Havemeyer on the Aldennanlc Action. Late In the afternoon a Herald reporter called on Mayor Havemeyer at his private office. The crowd of office-seekers, for a wonder, had gone home, or somewhere else, and the only gentleman present besides the attaches of the various bu reaus of the office was School Commissioner James Kelly. When the reporter entered the Mayor was busy signing checks. ?*I have called, Mr. Mayor, to inquire whether yon attach any particular significance to the action of the Aldermen this afternoon In laying over your nominations," said the reporter. " In what way ?" asked the Mayor. "Well, sir, was their action, or rather their lack of action, in not confirming them at all unex pected by you?" THE MAYOR NOT FLITIRIED. "Not In the least.. I didn't quite expect that they would lie prepared to act on them immediately," answered the Mayor, with his accustomcd imper turbability. "I should like to know, Mr. Havemeyer, If yon have no private reason for withholding the lact, whether the vote to 'lay over' was cast, by the same members whose names were fnrulshed to you as being in combination and disposed to block your appolntmenls unless they wore suited?" ? ??Let me see. I have the names here some i where," and the Mayor began to look over somo papers on Ms desk. "There were eignt names reported as being In the combination," interpolated the repor ter, "and 1 see that the motion to 'lay over' the nominations for Tax Commissioners was carried by a vote of a to fi." "Oh. yes; oh, yes. They are not the same mem bers whose names were reported to me," replied Mr. Havemeyer. FtTRTIIER NOMINATIONS. "Do you Intend to withhold all further nomina tions, Mr. Mayor, until those already sent in have beeu confirmed or rejected?" "Oh, no: I can't do that. They don't meet again until Thursday, and at that rate we should never get through. 1 shall send them In as fast as I com plete the lists." This closed the conversation, and, thanking His Honor for his courtesy m affording the informa tion, the reporter retired. THE IHKMffEES. Or. Stephen Smith for Health Commis sioner. Dr. smith, who was yesterday nominated for the two year term as Commissioner of Health, has served a number of years on the Health Commis sion, when we had a Metropolitan District Commis sion and since. lie Is the only one of the present Board nominated. He is an able sanitarian, and, as chairman of the Sanitary Committee of the Board of Health made many excellent suggestions as to the health of the city. His retention in office will be nn assurance that the Commissioners will not all be Inexperienced. He is a republican, although he has not usually mixed In the contests that so olten are waged for place and power. Or. Charles F. Chandler for Health Com missioner, who has been nominated for the term of four years on the Health Commission, is a chemist whose famo has extended throughout the >clty and reached into other States. He Is quite a young man, but some of his papers are marked by much scientific study and a perfect mastery of the sub ject of which he treats. He was a Professor in Columbia College, and for years has held the posi tion of Consulting chemist to the Board of Health. The complexion of his politics is doubtful, as lie has abjured them for the science which he so much loves. His nomination will, ao doubt) be confirmed. ______ Mr. Henry Clausen (tor Alderman. Mr. Uefry Clausen, who was nominated yester day by Mayor Havemeyer lor Alderman in the place of Peter Ollsey, deceased, is a Herman and a large lager beer brewer. He is very well known and popular among the Herman population, though |M| aarvicAM are nauL to Have Jtftm mffchj mainly performed during the past two vears In supporting the reform candidates In this city and giving time and money to the cause. Mr. John Wheeler ftor President of Tax Commission. Mr. John Wheeler, who received the nomination for Chairman of the tax Commission, is an old and intimate friend of Mayor Havemejrer. He is also a well known member of the Committee of Seventy, and has been active in a half doisen various reform organisations. Mr. Wheeler Is an ex-M. C? and when in Congress made a eood record, since the fall of the Tammany King Mr. Wheeler sided with Mayor llavemeyer on all local questions 01 relorni, ami it ts thought to be due to this that he received the nomination. Mr. Andrews for Tax Commissioner. Mr. George Andrews lias been a Commissioner or Taxes for some years, and has?it is said by his mends, given satisfaction in the position. Ho held the position up to tne moment when the charter was signed by the (iovernor, and Mayor Havemeyer has been strongly urged i>y Mr. An drews' influential friends to reappoint nim to his old position. Yielding to these influences and to Mr. Andrews' good record the Mayor gave liiin the nomination. Nor did his appointment. receive auy opposition such as has characterized that oi some others. Mr. Levcrn D. .Iluulton for Tax Commis sioner. Mr. Moulton is a wealthy gentleman and was one of tho original members of the Committee of Seventy. Ho has been a candidate for Member of Assembly lately, and is an ex-Member of the Legis lature. Mr. Moulton Is a republican in politics, and is about seventy years of age. THE DECEASED BISHOP. Blvhop lUcIlvatne laying In Statr at St. Aul'a Chapel?1The Funeral Scrvices to Take Place To-Day, at Three o'Clock?A. Large Attendance of the Clergy and L>aity Kxpcrtcd. The remains of tho late Bishop McHvalne, of the Episcopal diocese of Ohio, were yesterday trans ferred from the steamship City of Baltimore, of tho Inman Hue, lying at tho foot or Spring street, to the charge of a commltteo of arrangements of thirty-flve of the most prominent gentlemen con nected with the Episcopal Church In this city, by the Rev. W. S. Laraaon, the rector of the Ameri can chapel in Paris, in whose special charge the remains had been placed be fore the steamer left for Now York, from Liverpool. A large number of ladles and gentle men assembled yesterday afternoon at St. Paul's chapel, on Broadway, near Vesey street; but al though the church was open at the rear entrance the remains of tho deceased Bishop had not ar rived. , Shortly after half-past three o'clock a number of carriages, provided by the sexton, Mr. Well, drove up to the side entrance of St; Paul's church aud the committee entoreu them and drove to the pier at the loot of Spring street, North River. The names of tho Committee of Arrange ments, of which General Frederic De Peyster Is chairman, are as follows:? Frederic Be Peyster, J. Plerpont Morgan, Percy R. Pyno, Henry P. Marshall, George B. Morgan, W. h. Neilson, George B. Collins, Henry B. Renwick, William Remsen, Lloyd W. Wells, Benjamin Aymar, Adam Norrle, William Butler Buncan, Howard Potter, William B. Gierke, John II. Earle, Ilenry A. Oakley, Stephen P. Nash, George T. Strong, Ilenry Brisler, James E. Be Peyster, Cyrus Curt Iss, Stewart Brown, James m. Brown, Frederick G. Foster, F. S. Winston. Lewis Curtis, William s<ott, Georjre Wright, Charles Short, J. A. Perry. Matthew Clark son, Henry I'. Morgan, Francis Moran aud Andrew H. Be Witt, RECEPTION OF THK REMAINS. The committee were received by the officers of j the ship and of the company with the greatest courtesy, and were escorted to that portion of the pier in which the bodv was placed in readiness to be removed to the church. The Rev. Mr. Lamsou delivered the remains to the committee from Ohio, the diocese of the deceased, consisting of the Rev. Mr. Yocum, Mr. Odlorne and Mr. Buchanan, In a few brier and touching remarks, In which te re lated the tacts In regard to the discharge of his sacred duty as a custodian of tho remains. Gene ral BePevster responded In the same strain and with gracious compliments, and the body was placed in the charge ol the undertaker and the committee, and they were conveyed, encased as they were, embalmed and covered by a large wooden case, to the church, where tuey will remain until to-day, wneu THE Ft*NERAL SERVICES will take place positively anil precisely at threo o'clock in the afternoon, a mistake havingoo/uired in making yesterday the time for the services. These services will l>e or a special nature, but with out any display, and will consist of the opening sentences In the burial service, anthem, lesson, hymn, collects and benediction. Bishop B. B. Smith, of Kentucky, will preside nt the request of Bishop Potter, of New York. Bishop Smith and Bishop Mcllvalne were both consecrated and received the Episcopate thirty-one years ago In the chapel of.St. Paul, where to-dav the burial services will be heard for the deceased. The clergymon who are to officiate are the Rev. Stephen H. Tyng, or St. George's; Rev. Morgan Blx. ol Trinity: Rev. Mr. Schenck, or St. Ann's, Brooklyn, and Rev. John Cotton Smith, or the Church or the Ascension, Fifth avenue. A lanre number of Episcopal Bishops, clergy und laity will attend the luneral services, it Is presumed. No sermon will be preacned. At the close of the ceremony the committee of gentlemeu from Ohio will escort the remains to the EHe depot, in Jersey City, whence they will be taken to Cincinnati. EPISCOPAL nniSTERS' COtFEBEYCE. Yesterday the regular meeting o! the Protestant Episcopal Ministers' Association was to have been held at the Church of the Incarnation, at which the Rev. N. E. Cornwall, B. B., was to have read a pa per on "The propriety anil expediency 01 lairs and other similar methods or raising money ror religious and charitable purposes." The arrival or the re mains of tho late Bishop Mcnvaine in this city and the consequent deep interest which the ministers and layineu of the Church are taking in their dispo sition called otr a great many members of the Asso ciation, so that the attendance at tho meeting yes terday was very slim. Indeed, at the hour ap pointed, three o'clock, a committee of ministers and laymen ol tills city were arranging for tue de barkation of the nonv OP TTtK LATE PR EI. ATE from the steamer which conveyed it, hither and its transfer to St. Paul's church here, where the committee from the diocese of Ohio will receive it and take It thence to Cincinnati. Tbe Senior Bis hop or the American Church. Smith, who was pres ent, was invited to preside at the meeting, and a suggestion was made that some resolutions, ex pressive or their regret at the decease or the late Bishop, should be adopted, after which the meeting would adjourn for one week. Buiioi' m'ilvainb's wishes. Bishop Smith remarked that It was the dying wish ol his late Brother Mcllvaine that no funeral sermon should be preached or funeral ceremonies be pertormed over his remains, but. that his body should be placed In tho earth In as quiet a manner as possible. The Bishops and the committees who { have had the arrangements in hand have, there fore, kept these wishes steadily In mind, and there will be nothing set or formal In connection with the funeral services. These, indeed, will be very brief. And nfter the honors paid to to the late prelate in London. Bishop Smith thought It would be becoming in his brethren here to carry out as rar as possible the wishes or their deceased brother. Even In his own diocese, Ohio, there will be no memorial services connected with the rnneral, but on the evening of the day on which the runeral takes place in Cincinnati the Btafcop of Delaware will preach an appropriate sermon on the death or his late Brother Mcllvalne, or Ohio. As a mark of respect, therefore, after hearing these remarks and without any formal resolutions having been adopted, the Conference adjourned for one week. The association will meet next Mon day at. three o'clock in the Church of the Incarna tion, Thirty-fllth street aud Muillson avenue. ILLNE83 OF ARCHBISHOP BAYLEY. Most Rev. Archbishop Baylcy, Primate of Amcrlca, lies qnitc ill at the cathedral residence in i Newark, hs home for nearly tyears. It was noticed on Sunday that, he ^Ph.lrew from the sanctuary of St. Patrick's Cathedral some time be fore the close of Bishop Corrigan's consecration, nis abseuicc from the dinner at the Catholic Institute after the servico was also noted. Archbishop McCloskey, in the course of bis re marks, referred feelingly to Ids brother Archbishop, aud is reported to have said that though he was not aware of the exact cause of Archbishop Hay ley's absence It was possibly owing, he thought, 10 tlie fatigues couscqueut on his arduous duties In Baltimore. The illness ol Archbishop Hayley is not cousldered at all serious. SUICIDE OF A UNITED 8TATE3 AKMY OFFICER. Watkrtown, N. Y., May 5, 1873. Lieutenant Joha L. Worden, an army officer sta tioned at Madison Barracks, Sackett's Harbor,com mitted suicide yesterday morning by cutting his throat ffom car to ear with a carving knife. The ileat.ii ol his wlf?' some months two it is supposed deranged his mind. lie was a son of Admiral Wor den. who commanded the Monitor to tho conflict JfiUi mt) XcUfil ramJbuo'UDaftfc.. THE MAYORALTY MUDDLE. What Leading Lawyer* and Ex-Mayors Have to Say About the Prevailing Conun drum?Mayor or Not Mayor! Charles O'Conor and Ex-Mayor Hall on the Situation. Interviews with Dornian B. Eaton, Ex ' Mayor Opdyke and Abraham R. Law

rence?The Great Question Still Unanswered ? Additional Legislation Needed. The topic of the last few days araon? all those Interested In the personnel of the city govern ment has been the Mayoralty. It has been dis cussed lu political circles with intense Interest ever since the Herald mooted the question of the charter legislating Mayo* havemeyer out of office. With a view to gather up this opinion and present It Id a concrete lovm, several prominent gentlo men were Interviewed by Herald reporters yes terday, and their views arc given below. The bal ance of opinlou Is inanilestly In favor of the Legis lature passing a declaratory act by which Mayor Havemeyer shall be continued in ofllce. Wliat Cliarlc* O'Conor Soya. Mr. Charles O'Conor was found at his office In Wall street, and in reply to the Inquiry of the reporter as to what Importance was to be attached to the prevailing rumor that Mayor llave meyer had been legislated out of olhce by the new charter, said:? "That is a. matter, Fir, that, before a final, com plete and authoritative opinion could be given, would Involve a long examination and compari sons of the different charters and the repealing clauses of the present charter." "I believe tnat you have examined the etiarter, Mr. O'Conor, proiesslonally, have you not?" "No; I see the newspapers say so; I think I saw the Herald did yesterday; but I have not. 1 was consulted as to the modlllcation of a particular clause, on behalf of some parties who were In terested In that clause; but the charter itself I have not read through to this day." "I suppose, however, you have a general opinion as to this scare about Mayor ilaveineyer being legislated out of office." "As a matter of impression rather .than of opin ion, and of a cursory examination of the question, 1 have no doubt that Major llaveuieyer is the Mayor lor the lull term of his election; and this scare or rumor, or whatever It may bo, nas never appeared to me of sufficient Importance to jnstlfy uie in taking any trouble to fortify that opinion by any elaborate examination." "May I be allowed to ask on what your general Impression may rest, Mr. O'Conor f" THE IK1UOAN AND MONTOOMKIHE CHARTERS. "Well, sir, 1 cannot see how the sections in the Dougan charter of 168a and those l>n the Mont gomery charter of 1730, In reference to the ancient und chartcr rights of the city, which are not re pealed, aud the lirst section of the present char ter can be read and so cousirued us to mean a displacement oi the present Mayor, or the Mayor who was the Mayor at the time oi the passing of the charter. The section I refer to you probably know, but It reads as follows:? "Tbe corporation now existing anil known liythe name of 'The Mayor, Aldermen and Commonalty nt the city or New YorK,' shall continue to be a body politic uml corpo rate In tact ?nd name, by the name name, and shall 1 have perpetual succeauion, with all the grants, powers and privileges heretofore held by the Mayor. Aldermen and Commonalty of the city o! New York, and not modi fled <>r repealed by the provisions hereuiaiter maUu by this act "Then I presume you think that the Mayor In that section does not mean the office but the man who held the office at the time oi the passing of ^'"Unless the charter contained a clause that de prived Mr. llaveuieyer ol the office of Mayor, spe ciQcally, he hoids his office by virtue of his present incumbency, In luy opinion; but It is only an opiuiom l am free to confess that If this difficulty had been loreseen I might have suggested some clause by which it could have been met. But it was not suggested, and I think the best legal minds who have paid any attention to It. now it lias arisen, have no fear tiiat Mr. Havemeyer s tenure of office during his elected term Is secure." CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS. ??Do you think the constitution provides that the Mayor shall bean elective officer?" *1 think not; I assisted in the making of the constitution and signed it. I am not, however, uulte clear altout that. 1 will see. Mr O'Conor rulerred to the constitution ana thou read It, and. after reading It. reduced his opinlou to writing, ao lollows, and handed it to l'"By 'article 10, section 2 of the constitution all citv officers whose election or appointment is not provided lor lu this constitution shall be elected itv the electors of such cities or appointed by such authorities thereof us the Legislature shall designate for that purpose." ??Now," said Mr. O'Conor, "there Is no pro vision In the constitution making the Mayor elective, or containing any direction concerning him except this one, consequently the Legis lature has entire control over the subject, with this limitation. They must make him elective by the people or give the power or appointing him to some local officer or officers. Consequently 11 this scare altout Mayor llaveuieyer had anything In It (which I do not bellevei, the Legislature could cure its own slip In a moment. It would only be necessary to enact that 'any va cancy existing, or that may exist, lu the office of Mayor of the sain city before the day when the term of a Mayor hereafter elected shall commence, mav be tilled by an appointment, to be made by the Comptroller for the time being of the cltyofNpw York.' Mayor Haveuieyer's iriend Green would feturn the compliment." A LEGISLATIVE "SUP." ??Do you think the Legislature would be likely to do this'V' ,. . ,,.. "There Is no reason why they should not, if it is necessary. It is evidently a slip, an oversight In legislation, as alleged by tnose who had taken this objection. Any member who voted 'nay to a clause that was intended to rectiiy a slip in a bill of its own creation would cover himself witu lu lamv, and woultl be scarlfled by public opinion. "But would it not be rather 'eating the leek for the Legislature to give the appointment ol Mayor to Comptroller Green f" "The object of the amendatory clause, If it is needed, is to continue Mayor Ilaveineyer in office; the appointing power must, therefore, be giveu to an officer who would be sn?o to appoint Mayor Havemeyer. That, I presume, there Is uo doubt Mr. Green wonlu do and couid be safely relied upon to do It." TENt'RE OF OFFICE OF INCTMHFNTP. "Don't the revised statutes contain a clause giving power to present Incumbents to hold over until their successors are appointed? Aud if no one wants a change In the mayoralty the successor need not be named." . . .. "That Is a wise conservative provision of all law. known long belore these statutes were Mown, that any one who had the appolntmeut or colorable appointment to an office, ami was In possession or It. should retaiu It until somebody comes to turn '""a kind of provision that is understood In the phrase 'the king never dies.' " "Unite so. There is no legal dlfflcu.ty In that matter as far as the Mayor Is concerned. Any talk about warrants and bonds being Invalid Is all idle talk. Mayor Havemeyer Is Mayor until somebody shows a better right to It, and, as I have already said, I don't think that Is possible until his term is over, or it lapses by the usual course of events. WJiat Ex-Mayor Hall Ray*. The reporter found Mr. Hall In bis charming law chambers (quite* or the British barrister order) dictating a brief to bis stenographic secretary. After a few pleasant interchanges the reporter asked the ex-Mayor If he had examined the ques tion whether the charter hail legislated the Mayor out? Mr. Hall (smiling)?That ts to say, whether the Legislature lias Innocently relieved Mayor Have meyer of those perplexing duties which lie is dis charging with so much ease, grace, digulty and de spatch T No, 1 have not particularly examined It lately. Reporter (echoing)?Lately! Why, it has only jbeen started three days, Mr. Hall (still smiling meaningly)?I examined a similar question three years ago about this time, j There was a positive omission to continue me 111 i oftlee by the chartcr of ls7o?a result ol the last engrossing scramble In the Pen ate, and unless tins new chartcr is an Improvement upon that )ii? perhaps Mayor Uavenicyer is situated as I thought 1 was. MAYOR IIAI.L'8 DII.RMM A IN 1870. Rrportrr?Ttien you Uiouflbt you not In ofQce in May, 1870? Mr. Hall?I came, along with some legal friends, to that conclusion, and never feit, until a supple mental act was passed apparently altirmlng my continuance In office to <ro certain acts, that I wan not certain to have ray title ouestloned. Alter all, Uic ouoitm 91 Mr. MtimvW uu? ?uae?j>r*g 1 tlcally to this, "Will President Vance dispute Itt If Ue will not, who can '" Krioktkb? Why did you question your title f Mr. Haul? Because in 187o only mien parts of the Pongau and Montgomerie charters as were then in force were continued. These provided for an ap pointed Mayor. The 1870 act repealed every other eha ter aeriatlm. The 1870 act vvaa not a charter. It did not purport, as did every prior act, to be one "to amend the charter of," Ac. It watt an act to provide local government lor New York city. It inaugurated a new scheme. The charter of 1830 I Dm initiated an elective Mayor: 1870 repealed all prior charters and that of 1867, under which 1 had lieeB elected. It seemeA the same to me as if the legislature by one act had repealed all prior charters. The law comerrlng election gone, I was out. "STttlCKEN OtT BY MISTAKE." Rbpoktku?But were there no words recognizing your elcciion and continuing your term V Mr. IIai.l?None. Judge Kdmonds had drawn a I charter (coiuuiouty known as the Krear Charter) I which was the Orst Introduced winch cared lor th^ ! contingency. The next aud compromise charter : at first contained the saving ueuds; out, us I tell you, they got stricken out by mistake, aud, unless the charter of is7;i is Itetter than that of 1K70 was ! in the respect mentioned, 1 should be ol opinion that the present Mayor ought to h.ive a ratifying act, il one be constitutional and jurisdictional. Rkpoktsk?Here is a copy of the charter. Mr. IIai.l (turning it over)?I see Sectlou 1 con- ' Urins the Corporation us a corporation. 1 observe j other sections confirm and continue both boards. I 1 observe that In any vacancy ol Mayor the I'resi- I dent of the Aldermen becomes Mayor, as Vice 1 President Johnson became President., c lrnlng ; over and over the leaves slowly) aud here would seem to be an KXPRCTATION OF TROt'BLE, because, for the Urst time In a municipal law. the , ' phrase occurs as follows:?"Section 11". No appro- ' ; piiatlon or payment lor the contesting (not an j ] election lint) oi the 'oillce'of Mayor (amomr other 1 I enumerations also new) shall be made to any but > I the prevailing party." I Kipoutkh?-That, then, Is new V Mr. Hall?Kutircly now aud apprehensive, pcr i haps (still turning). No. 1 see no duferetico here I between this and the of 1870. Hkpohtrr?On the whole, then, what do you think ol the law question f I Mr. Ham,?Please write precisely what I now ( say?the rest of the conversation phrase as you j please, pres rving the ideas?this is not so much i I a law iiuestiou as one of yolitlcal power aud ! policy. If Mr. Vance dou't raise the law question it won't exist. Mr. Comnn never raised it agiuust mo, and very lew kuew of the bluuder. What Kx-Mayor Opdyke Says. Ex-Mayor Opdyke was called upon at his down town oiilce. Mr. OpdyKe, with his usual urbanity, i consented to make the following statement con cerning that vital delect of the charter which is said to leave Mayor Huvemeyer shivering out In the cold. He said "As 1 am not a lawyer I havo uot examined the legislative eflect ol the provisions of the new char ter relating to the Mayor, but I have conferred with my son, who us a member oi the Assembly, and who has made a hurried examination of the charter and of the law to see If any decisions of the courts cover the point; but as vet he has l?een unable to llud any. Though his o|i]iiions are not free Irom doubt tie Inclines to the Ueliel that the* provisions of the charter, fairly Interpreted, llBTAIN THE PltESBNT MAYOIt. lie says that the provisions of the Montgomcrie aud Dongan charter not In conflict with the present one are continued. Under those the Mayor was uot elected, but appointed, from which it would appear that an appointed Mayor would cer tainly continue ouder those provisions. It would seem therefore that If an appointed Mayor were continued under the present charter one hold ing the place by the stronger claim of election would be retulncd under it also. It seems to me that, if a caretul examination of the questions in volved by able lawyers should leave a doubt on their mtmls as to the retcutiou of the Mayor, it Is clearly incumbent ou the Legislature to KKMKOY THIS DEFECT nr. once by a supplementary bill; for, while that doubt exists there can be no transactions in tlio securities issued by the city government. At lea-t such Is the impression of a leading dealer In those \ securities who conferred with mo on the subject this morning." Dormant II. Katon Speak*, Mr. Dorman B. Katon was visited next. Since his appointment as Civil Service Adviser Mr. Baton considers himself out of the arena of local politics, and, being asked to say something regarding the Mayor, whose existence is put in doubt by the charter, he at first felt some hesitation to express any opinion on the subject. Ppon the explanatory mucked ? t'lc ^ekalo reporter, however, lie re ... ^ ?E **yor sni.i, rn OFPICR. "I think the Mayor is still in oillce, l.ut there n/fy. .Er"",n(i tot H0U1W doubt about it, ami I think It the duty of the Legislature to pas* a de claratory act at once, removing all doubt on the subject, and, ns a republican, I siiould be ashamed of my party, and should consider u disgraced if it S?Dn've ttt depriving the Mayor it elected of his office, either by its bungling manner or lejris I t!n or ? tlie pawing of a charter tliat accjm I pushes a purpose which was never avowed and | which the public never suspected. Several of the t amendments pending to the charter arc man ifestly designed to give an undno I . , PAKTIfiAN INKLI'ESTF to the city administration, and there Is not one of ihem of a tithe of the importance to the people of i this city that it is to have the Legislature relieved Of anv taint o fraud in the provisions in regard to the Major and to have all controversy about the Majors power speedily terminated. I think the Legislature will pass some act removing uny doubt as to the Mayor's authority if, In coimuitutlon with lawyers or Judges, there should be found any dilterence of opinion on the subiect, for ir there Is any real doubt as to the power of the Mavor to sign the city bonds It will not only bring ."own cUy "Pr 1 8reiitly '^P*"" tlie credit of the Abraham R. Lawrcnce Doe* Wot Speak. This gentleman, who was likewise visited by the Herau> reporter, was exceedingty non-committal on the same subject. He merely remarked: in^1??"0.'^1'0!''1?110 Rlvc an* "Pinion, not hav ing seen the charter as signed by the (Joveruor S^hhfP? c former years has taught me to withhold any expression of opinion until I have examined the genuine urticle. This, l can sav however, that Mr Havemeyer is the rightful Mayor of New lork lor the term he has been elected and election aside. *Ct ?f lc?lshuion ^s set his THE ASSISTANT LLDERMEN, There was no Important business transacted yes terday, as the members are in doubt as to their powers under the new charter to go on with the , public works of the city. The charter provides that they shall advertise live days in the official paper before tho execution of any work necessitat ; Ing expenditure 01 money, and as the new charter abolishes the Reoora, and there Is no official paper they are unable to proceed with business! Mr' | Clancy moved that a communication be sent to < ommtssioner Van Nort asking that the Snperin I tendent oi Incumbrances remove all obstructions lh?m !'? owcry/ *?Xc,'f,t s?c'i a* are authorized by the ordinances or the Common Council. The resolu iMf" ^aH a Pte''., William M. Dean was appointed SK ^elor' aS(l ttle Hoard adjourned until two o clock P. M. on Tuesday, when the report of tho Special Committee on the Chamberlain's Fees win be considered. THE SHIP JOINER^STEimQ. Preparations for a Defiant and Definite movement. A meeting or ship-jolners, N. Betts presiding, was held at Military Hall. In tho Bowery, last night, for the purpose of taking action to raise the rate of wages, in view of the fact that, although busi ness at this trade is very brisk during the present seasoD, they receive less pay than tho ship carnen- 1 tcrs. The latter receive, since their strike ^ast 51 ???' per day, while the ship joiners receive only $3 60. It wax therefore resolved to raise the HTANnAKI) RATE OP WAtiKS I to $4 per (lav, and a committee was formed to take lurther action Is the matter and to report at a meeting to be held to morrow. The question in the present movement is not the eight hour svs tcm, and the uien are evented to work TEN* B0UR9 PKR RAT on now work and nine hours per day at repair!nz, as heretofore, If they gain their point In the matter of wages. The meeting last night was held under the auspices of the Hhlpjolners' Protective (,'nlnn numbering over two hundred memliers, including almost all of the trade, and measures were dis cussed to strengthen tho organisation, with a view of successfully carrying out tho movement. ! DRANK FOUR BOTTLES OF WHISKEY, A man named Francis p. Campbell, living In Main street, near Slater. Paterson, where lie owned con siderable property, and who was notorious on ac- I count of his being perpetually in a lawsuit with j some of ins neighbors, started oif on a spree about seven weeks ago. He kept it up ever since, never | seeing a sober moment In that time, and K is sol f emnly averred that he did not taste a solid morsel ; of lood In the whohi seven weeks, subsistina en ; tirely on liquor. On Saturday att<iuoon ho I was actually crazy from the effects oi t n ; ruin. Before ;?ny one could dlvme his intention* he pr,?.CKrf" two MrK?narllla bottles lull o' whiskov I which he emptied mto a basin and drank at almost ! ? TLh '"llctr(1 "oniewhat out he re j peati <l the same uoso in a few minutes alter, nink I uitf lour bottles ur J'ausi hoii rotgut in the cournu I Of a very short time, in a lew hours ;he efTfe?"s or this liquor in itn reaction madu him as wild as ir and'ouleTir/i^'i-p'm ?A P1""1?" was?cn"or and quit ting remedies administered, but he was > pant recovery and died shortly after. Coroner _[MI A?X was notilled, but did not deem an inquest vuteOtyL* ? lamny comfortaUy pro FISH CULTURE. A Visit to the Fish Ponds afi Bloomsbury, N. J. How the Finny Trihe 1> Propagated in the Ghuv den State?20,000 Toting Salmon Depos ited in a Tributary of the Haritan Trip Up the Mnsconeteong Mountain. Dloomsbpry, N. J., May 2. 1878. It la well known that Convress appropriated $l.r>,ooo during the last session but one for the pro? motion of Hah culture in the Cnlted States. Thq quota of salmon fry for New Jersey was 40,000. Dr? Black, or Hloomsbury, one of the Commissioners of Fisheries for the State, had the young fish batched! in the ponds near his residence In the valley 06 Musconetcong. It was expected that the New Jersey Legislature would make some appropriation to promote the fishery interests, but the exDeo ution was not realized. Dr. Slack, after much care spent in raising the flsh, resolved at last to inaugurate a movement that would stock tha rivers of New Jersey with salmon and trout. Ac cordingly, he fixed on this day for the important? event, aiul a ralnv, a drizzling, a miserable day Ifr was. Alighting at tho Valley station on the Ne^r Jersey Central Railroad at half-past nine In tho morning 1 found myself In the valley of the Musco netcong, standing on the platform of a station that resembled a stable, the mountains on either Bids shrouded In mist and the only highway vl3lble coated with wet clay. After contemplating the scene rot a lew minutes a wagon, drawn by a handsome team, came dashing down the mountain road and lialted at the platform. It came at a seasonable time, and after a brief explanation I found myseli on the road up the mountalu. Heavens, such a road! If I should live half a century I will nevef forget it. Up, up, up, and tilt, tilt, tilt, the mud dashed into one's face by the struggling horses, and the rain beating into one's eyes and the driver predicting a "bad day," there was something to test the early education ol a traveller. "This ain't like your city roads, boss," said the driver with most refreshing coolness, as I clutched the rail of the seat to avoid an involuntary summersault. The perils or the trip spoiled the contemplation of the surrounding scene. The curtain of mist that settled on the mountains before us would not arise whether we wished or no. "How far have we to travel in this way?" 1 asked. "About three-quarters of a mile and then turn?a mile and a half altogether," was the response. And we did turn the three-quarter mile post with a vengeance. The driver did not understand centrifugal rorce. or he would have swept, nround the curve with some regard lor the Inner circle. Any one who has ambition to become a traveller on such a mountain road can acquire experience In a steeple chase ride. At last the journey was ended and the Inspection or the ponds began. Dr. Slack was assisted by Commissioner J. K. Miotwell. of Kahway, the third Commissioner, Dr. Howell, being absent. To de scribe tho pans, troughs, water shoots, ponds, mill, method of raising the flsh, Ac., would occupy a large space. The place must be visited if one would understand the process thoroughly. Tens of thousands of young salmon, each about one Inch in length, sported in the pans, and wlieu noon feeding time?arrived they became wild. Once led, however, they remain quiet till hnnger again at tacks them. If not attended to they devour each other. The trout ponds are. Indeed, a great curiosity. When the food, consisting or meat, chopped In the mill, is thrown into tlie pond containing the large fish the soene is exciting. From six to twenty or thirty may be seen to jump above the surface or tho water In desperate rivalry for the coveted morsel, and this continues while the food Is thrown in. Thore are six ponds. The first, known as A poud, contains 10,000 trout. K pond 60,000 trout, Spring pond 500, pond No. 2 10,000. while pond No. 3 is empty. There Is also a pond in which water cress in largo qnanttties is raised. The spring which supplies the ponds discharged from twelve hundred to fifteen hundred gallons per minute. Standing on the brink of any oftne ponds you see the river Musconetcong at your feet, sweeping past through the cleft 111 the valley, and through this river wo had to drive to pursue our Journey to the summit of the Musconetcong Mountain where one or the tributaries of the Kuritnn takes its rise. The horses plutigcd in with a treedora i that was cheering to their living freight, and our | confidence in the instinct of the animals was not 1 misplaced. There was, indeed, cause lor nervous . ness as the wagon sank deeper and deeper into the i sandy bottom and tne waters washed our boots; ; bnt the noble animals paced steadily along, as If I pursuing their route on the highway. The re marks on the diinculties ol the morning journey apply with more force to the ascent of the Mus conetcong. In the two galvanized lmn vessels, somewhat resembling the milk cans of our city dealers, we carried along about twenty thousand joi'ing salmon. "What is that smoke yonder at the base of tho mountain?" I inquired, us we wended our way to wards the summit. "Why, that is one end or the tunnel wnere the Paitenwirg riot occurred some weeks ago. The smoke comes from the engine by which the steam shovel is operated. We wlU liave*a better view when we reach the other side." The mountain road is by no means dreary or desolate, for little hamlets sent up their curling smoke on either side, and the busy hum or Industry was audible at lntorvals, ir the momentary spells or relicr from the jolting in the ruts could be called Intervals. When the top or the mountain was reached there wus a sense of relicr, and but little regard was paid to the other obsta cles ol the journev, till we cama to the little stream that trickled down a fissure of the mountain and as rar as visible was nowhere more than lour or six feet wide. Here the precious freight or young salmon wus deposited. Cheers were sent up, and the uttie creek received the name or Salmon I Hun?a name that will yet become famous. I when salmon fishing In the Kuritau and 1 Delaware Rivers will become a favorite pastime. ! The Legislature of New Jersey acted in a penurious spirit In the matter, as they reiused to appropriate 1 a single dollar towards the raising or tne fish ap propriated by the general government. Dr. Slack Kept the Try and raised the lisli at his own ex pense. The Commissioners will recommend an ap propriation at the next session or the Legislature. 1 Dr. Slack abandoned the medical profession in | Philadelphia, and has devoted himself for many years to the science or fish culture. As the late Legislature or New Jersey gave almost exclusive attention to railroads, it is hoped thut the fishing I Interests may received some attention at the next I session. THE P.ITTEJBIRG FARCE. Acquittal of John Cognc-Two More PriwBtn Pat Upon Tr la!?Probable Collapse of the Prosecution. The trial or John ltogue, lor the alleged mnrdef of Henjumin Dcshnmn, was concluded yesterday at | Flemlngton, N. J. The prisoner, by direction of Chief Justice Heuslev, was acquitted, there not being evidence enough to warrant his conviction. From present appearances the prosecutions will 1 collapse as miserably in the succeeding ea*es as ' they already have in the two coses which have been tried, thus verifying the prediction of the | Hkrai-d that the trial ol the rioters will merely end in a fizzle. I John Kelly and John foyle were broupbt up for trial in the afternoon, but the Htnte, discoursed I with the result of the last two trials, thought. It would be better to put the defendants upod trial lor the minor crime of riot and leave the charge, II considered, later. The defence objected to the case proceeding at once, as the indictment was a sur prise to them and they were not prepared to go on. The Chief Justice overruled the objection, and the cuse was ordered on. A jury was then empanelled and the case Immediately proceeded. Considerable evidence was then given for the prosecution, after winch the Court adjourned until , ten o'clock this morning. TIE HAS8IE HOMICIDE Empanelling a Jury?Poat Mortem Ex* ami nation. Frederick Hassle, the German who died at 843 Third street, on Monday night, from the effects ol a stab wound, received on the '28th ult., at the hands of Peter Rltter, is the man whoso ante* mortem examination Coroner Kessler was called to take on Friday last. His statement, however, was not taken, as ilassie did not consider his llie in immediate danger, and the Coroner himself thought 1 he would recover. Hassift, however, was taken suddenly worse on sundav evening, whereupon Sergeant RobD, of the Eleventh precinct, at I once notified Coroner Keenan to take his statement. The Coroner Immediately re* sponded; but, on reaching the house, Uatone was dead. Coroner Uerrm&n yesterday ! took charge or the case, and subsequently empan eilecl a Jury, who viewed the remains, alter Which the investigation was set Uowu for Wednesday morning. _ _ Suhseqaently Iiepnty Coroner Cushmnn made a post-mortem examination on the body, and lound i a stab wound on the chest, penetrating the stomach, and another wouud in the abdomen* I which severed some of the intestines... The wounds | were tho cause of death. Kltter, upiccused, still remains In custody, awaiting tno result of an m j vestimation. 1 The New Tork Presbytery held a short session yesterday and was engaged In an earnest disco* ; slon of the seotuar subject of tl?a insurance of till lives of cifigjmcifc

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